America's Funniest President: Mo Udall Presidency & Beyond

Cool! What would Matt & Trey try to make? I do have an idea.
You'll have to wait and see.

So......what happened here that these shows are dying?
Well, there is still the writer's strike along with ITTL stuff like things that helped child actors and the like. As such, the industry is trying to deal with long term ramifications of this, especially on what they want to do and the like. Plus, this is the rise of the Golden Age of Youtube, plus Veoh now too.

Cool.

That's great to hear! Especially coming from someone who's kinda bi/pansexual myself(I'm kinda figuring out who I really am.....)

That's great! Hopefully the action cartoons survive ITTL!
They are doing better than OTL I will say. After all, ITTL, anime became a bit more mainstream earlier. Additionally, a much less prominent moral panic meant that people were more okay with it over on it and thus companies took chances, which are paying off here.

Cool! How would Toonami & Disnippon do at this point? Also, how popular & how much of a gamechanger would it be?
Well, Toonami doesn't have its period of inactivity like OTL though it is now having to deal with what programming to have and the like. Disnippon is now standing on its own. While mainly known for shoujo and more kid-friendly anime, it is also where the slice of life stuff can be seen. K-On! on Disnippon is a bit of a gamechanger for the channel as it helps form its own niche.

That's cool! Hopefully, MetroToons can grow & give the others a run for their money.
No spoilers for what happens with MetroCentury's little toon channel, but things are building up for it to finally be able to stand up with the other 3 in prominence. It was always the underdog for a while. After all, while they had a few hits that OTL appeared on other channels (like American Dragon Jake Long), they weren't able to have reliable franchises for that. However, it was still popular enough to remain afloat. It also helped that alot of the Kids WB stuff got folded into it as reruns, along with Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh there.

Cool!

What's ArtistShare & ConnentU?

ArtistShare is the first commercial crowdfunding website, even way before Kickstarter, and focuses on musical artists. Here, thanks to getting Napster, it was able to reach mainstream appeal sooner and also showed them the growing importance on capitalizing on social media thanks to said influence. For example, working on deals with Youtube and some social media platforms to help them grow and really stand up to the music industry.


ConnectU is another older social media website and notably, it was something that Zuckerburg was involved in prior to creating Facebook. Here, things went a bit differently and ConnectU was able to take the place of Facebook to a degree in terms of mainstream popularity. That said, Facebook would still exist, but not be as popular or influential obviously.

Cool! What comics does Disney have?

AWESOME!

I will need to figure out the details later, but I reckon Disney's comic line up in the 2000s can be divided into three broad camps: Their toon stuff, the superhero stuff and the graphic novels.

The Toon stuff would be things like the classic Disney comics with Mickey, Donald, Goofy and the rest of the gang: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/DisneyMouseAndDuckComics

They've always been more popular in Europe, especially the Duck stuff. However, I imagine with the new model of distribution, Disney is gonna try and grow the market domestcially, especially by doing a broad revamp of the settings and allocating some things. One major thing would likely be Goofy and his gang being spun-off into his own verse of sorts.

The superhero stuff is basically the superhero verse Disney has been building. The result of acquiring Harvey comics and also their deal with Archie comics regarding their superheroes. It's aimed for a bit of a younger and general audience (think Marvel Adventures in tone), but still fun and with its own rising stars.

The graphic novels would be the more serious stuff and well, based on whatever works they walk. Some of the other Harvey stuff is being used here.
 
You'll have to wait and see.
Ok.
Well, there is still the writer's strike along with ITTL stuff like things that helped child actors and the like. As such, the industry is trying to deal with long term ramifications of this, especially on what they want to do and the like. Plus, this is the rise of the Golden Age of Youtube, plus Veoh now too.
Oh.........so how do Disney and Nick respond? Adding more cartoons? Also, does the Canadian cartoon boom still happen? That could be a good thing to get MetroToons some recognition!
They are doing better than OTL I will say. After all, ITTL, anime became a bit more mainstream earlier. Additionally, a much less prominent moral panic meant that people were more okay with it over on it and thus companies took chances, which are paying off here.
Cool! How mainstream does anime become?
Well, Toonami doesn't have its period of inactivity like OTL though it is now having to deal with what programming to have and the like.
That's good. Maybe put some American action cartoons on the block? Toonami wasn't meant to be an all-anime block. Put Generator Rex, Sym-Bionic Titan, Young Justice and the ThunderCats revival on Toonami within the next 2 years, and I guarantee you it would make for a good schedule.
Disnippon is now standing on its own. While mainly known for shoujo and more kid-friendly anime, it is also where the slice of life stuff can be seen. K-On! on Disnippon is a bit of a gamechanger for the channel as it helps form its own niche.
That's good. What about Jetix?
No spoilers for what happens with MetroCentury's little toon channel, but things are building up for it to finally be able to stand up with the other 3 in prominence. It was always the underdog for a while. After all, while they had a few hits that OTL appeared on other channels (like American Dragon Jake Long), they weren't able to have reliable franchises for that. However, it was still popular enough to remain afloat. It also helped that alot of the Kids WB stuff got folded into it as reruns, along with Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh there.
That's good.

ArtistShare is the first commercial crowdfunding website, even way before Kickstarter, and focuses on musical artists. Here, thanks to getting Napster, it was able to reach mainstream appeal sooner and also showed them the growing importance on capitalizing on social media thanks to said influence. For example, working on deals with Youtube and some social media platforms to help them grow and really stand up to the music industry.


ConnectU is another older social media website and notably, it was something that Zuckerburg was involved in prior to creating Facebook. Here, things went a bit differently and ConnectU was able to take the place of Facebook to a degree in terms of mainstream popularity. That said, Facebook would still exist, but not be as popular or influential obviously.
That's cool. However, I'd just keep ConnectU and merge elements of Facebook into that.
I will need to figure out the details later, but I reckon Disney's comic line up in the 2000s can be divided into three broad camps: Their toon stuff, the superhero stuff and the graphic novels.

The Toon stuff would be things like the classic Disney comics with Mickey, Donald, Goofy and the rest of the gang: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/DisneyMouseAndDuckComics

They've always been more popular in Europe, especially the Duck stuff. However, I imagine with the new model of distribution, Disney is gonna try and grow the market domestcially, especially by doing a broad revamp of the settings and allocating some things. One major thing would likely be Goofy and his gang being spun-off into his own verse of sorts.
Ok. Would these be the basis for new cartoons based on these classic characters?
The superhero stuff is basically the superhero verse Disney has been building. The result of acquiring Harvey comics and also their deal with Archie comics regarding their superheroes. It's aimed for a bit of a younger and general audience (think Marvel Adventures in tone), but still fun and with its own rising stars.
Cool! What is Disney's superhero universe? I have a few characters I think could fit.
The graphic novels would be the more serious stuff and well, based on whatever works they walk. Some of the other Harvey stuff is being used here.
What graphic novels do they make?
 
Ok.

Oh.........so how do Disney and Nick respond? Adding more cartoons? Also, does the Canadian cartoon boom still happen? That could be a good thing to get MetroToons some recognition!
To a degree yeah. Nick has Marvel stuff to float and Disney has their own tricks, so nothing too drastic there and maybe.

Cool! How mainstream does anime become?
Probably a bit more than OTL. There's more variety in terms of what people think, but it's still rather niche all things in comparison.

That's good. Maybe put some American action cartoons on the block? Toonami wasn't meant to be an all-anime block. Put Generator Rex, Sym-Bionic Titan, Young Justice and the ThunderCats revival on Toonami within the next 2 years, and I guarantee you it would make for a good schedule.
Well, we'll have to see what happens. Butterfly effects are still happening and things will be changing in how they're being done.

That's good. What about Jetix?

That's good.
Jetix probably becomes Disney XD soon.

That's cool. However, I'd just keep ConnectU and merge elements of Facebook into that.
Well, depends what the people in the timeline decide to do.

Ok. Would these be the basis for new cartoons based on these classic characters?

Cool! What is Disney's superhero universe? I have a few characters I think could fit.

What graphic novels do they make?
You'll have to wait and see. Though for the superheroes, there a couple that stick out. One is MLJ's Bob Phantom, or rather his grandson Bobby Phantom, who here becomes ITTL's version of Danny Phantom. Another is Bee-Man, who gets some Spider-Man vibes and has some honey and beeswax themed weaponry.
 
To a degree yeah. Nick has Marvel stuff to float and Disney has their own tricks, so nothing too drastic there and maybe.
That's good, and Cartoon Network has the WB, HB and DC stuff as well as their originals, Adult Swim and anime to back them up.
Probably a bit more than OTL. There's more variety in terms of what people think, but it's still rather niche all things in comparison.

Well, we'll have to see what happens. Butterfly effects are still happening and things will be changing in how they're being done.
Cool.
Jetix probably becomes Disney XD soon.
Is Jetix a block, or a channel ITTL? Regardless, how is it doing and what is it airing?

Also, we refer to that as X.D. or X-D here.
Well, depends what the people in the timeline decide to do.
Right.
You'll have to wait and see. Though for the superheroes, there a couple that stick out. One is MLJ's Bob Phantom, or rather his grandson Bobby Phantom, who here becomes ITTL's version of Danny Phantom.
Cool! So would Danny still have ghost powers, or what?
Another is Bee-Man, who gets some Spider-Man vibes and has some honey and beeswax themed weaponry.
Who's Bee-Man?
 
That's good, and Cartoon Network has the WB, HB and DC stuff as well as their originals, Adult Swim and anime to back them up.

Cool.

Is Jetix a block, or a channel ITTL? Regardless, how is it doing and what is it airing?

Also, we refer to that as X.D. or X-D here.

Right.

Cool! So would Danny still have ghost powers, or what?

Who's Bee-Man?
@CountDVB?
 
Political Retrospection: 2005 - 2009 Part 1
Political Retrospection: 2005 - 2009 Part 1




The Anglosphere
Over in the United States, the latter half of the first decade of new millenium proved that change kept on coming. Specifically, many of the smaller events and changes in the past began growing over and leading to a new status quo. The major example of this would be the election of Olympia Snowe as the first female President of the United States and the first president of the modern Federalist Party, the successor to the Republican Party. Snowe's election proved that the Federalist Party was indeed here to stay and that they were the new face of American conservatism over for the 21st century. At the same time though, President Clinton's second term would still have prominent hallmarks to show for it. One major event would be the summer of 2006 where same-sex marriage was legalized throughout all of the United States through the "Equal Marriage and Rites Act". This was done thanks to years of hard work and dedication from many support groups and civilians who pushed for this, along with the growing support over in the mainstream, especially thanks to the mass media over the last two decades helping to further normalize the idea of same-sex couples for those who may not have seen or interacted wth them. This is in turn inspired more people to come out of the closet and support one another. Of course, with the United States now having openly supported same-sex marriage, there would no doubt be quite a massive shockwave over across the world. Beyond this, some other big news would be the induction of Washington DC (Douglass Commonwealth) and Puerto Rico over into the union as formal states. This meant the US would now have 52 new states, bringing in 4 new Senators, a handful of new House Reps along with governors and a bit of the shifting of the political stucture of the nation. There was also some discussion on increasing the number of distict courts and rearranging some, though this was not considered in the Clinton Administration outside of some planning.

Canada wouldn't be as affected by this; after all, they would go and approve of same-sex marriage the year before the Americans would, something they couldn't help but go and brag about. At the same time, it was still very welcomed news and it would definitely put pressure over on everyone else. Meanwhile, Canadian politics were in a bit of flux as it would be a toss-up over who would win in the next election. The Progressive Conservatives had been making some strong showings with their recovering, but have yet to find a suitable leader to help them further into victory. The Liberals meanwhile had to deal with the retirement over of Paul Martin from politics though the good news was that they were able to reclaim victory and transition into a new Prime Minister in Stéphane Dion, who took the place of Martin in leading the Liberals. As for the NDP, they were beginning to recovery extensively under Jack Layton, to where many were predicting a return of NDP leadership in the next upcoming years. For the most part, things in Canada were rather calm, though there were still various issues to deal with, such as maintaining growth in the economy, trying to go and maintain the presence of specialists, and of course, the First Nations people still fighting to get better conditions and rights, especially with alot of the complicated aspects that some of the politicians really don't wanna address or look into.

And of course, with what the US and Canada did, there was now growing pressure on the rest of the Anglosphere to go and follow suit. Australia would see support of same-sex marriage go and spike extensively thanks to these two victories and they were also motivated over by a desire to go and beat the British to the punch. This would be seen in growing support over for the Labor Party who was pushing on these. So much so that the Labor Party would go over and win in 2007 on this promise, allowing them to go and push for it in 2008. Additionally, other issues were motivating parties to go all hands in with other issues. With solar power looking more and more viable, the Australian Greens would strengthen their hold on the coalition with the National Party and Country Liberal Party. After all, combining green policies with economic incentives would allow them to get plenty of public support and economic prosperity. New Zealand would also go all in over at the same time as Australia would over with same-sex marriage and thus really begin putting pressure over on the United Kingdom as well as Ireland in that regard, And the growing successes were invigorating the movements over in these nations and in others. Charles Kennedy would go and get his Lib-Dems reelected, managing to get more votes. While Labour was still part of their coalition, they were beginning to lose members and voters who saw more of a future with the Lib-Dems. Kenneth Clarke meanwhile continued to reinforce his position over in the Tories, with Euro-skepticism even more of a minority position within the Tories.


Latin America
Latin America would begin seeing further fascinating reforms over the latter half of the decade. Mexico would see Porfirio Muñoz Ledo continue on before ending over in 2006. The Ledo Administration followed up on what the Cárdenas Administration did and in the last couple of years, doubled down on working with Mondragon. Additionally, the Ledo Administration would go with an ambitious project with the creation of Solmex. A state-owned and managed company, they focus on reseaching, manufacturing and installing various solar energy products such as solar cells and photovoltaic systems along with acting as a national energy company. It was inspired by Pemex and indeed, meant to be its successor due to the decline in petroleum on the globlal market over the past few decades. However, the growing test of Solmex would go and be overseen by Ledo's successor in Andrés Manuel López Obrador. AMLO's victoy was still a surprise, but it was reflective of both the PRD's past successes and that they would remain a prominent influence for the time to come. AMLO would ride in a further promise of progressive social reform and maintaining aid and development of the working class, especially with the creation of Solmex. Meanwhile, the country would also continue on dealing with various forms of corrupton along with other issues.

Central America was also starting to pick up steam thanks to the aid of Mexico, the Mondragon Corpoation and most of all, the efforts of their own people. The drug cartels had become a minor problem here and the focus lay over on getting the governing groups to go and work together. While there were plenty of optimists and promise, they were sometimes stymied over by lingering corruption, the troublesome details of ruling day by day and of course, the in-fighting. That said, things were still somewhat stable and more and more people were doing their best to make the most of it. At the same time, things were looking better and better with both the American and Mexican governments keeping out for any potential violent problems. Meanwhile over in the Caribbean, Haiti and the Dominican Republic have made great strides and improved significantly since then. There was also growing efforts for the two nations to work together, with modest grounds being made. However, the various divides continue to linger over in the nation. It didn't help the language barrier, though Haiti would begin benefitting from closer ties to Canada, thanks to their shared French influences. Cuba meanwhile remained in its peaceful if complicated state. They and the Americans hadn't been enemies for a while, but it would be a stretch to call them friends. That said, they were no longer in embargo, so there was that at the least. Cuba also continued with the Sovereign Union

Over in South America, the improvements were more noticeable. The crackdowns against the drug cartels helped bring peace to the area and with the growing successes of creating worker co-ops, they were also becoming popular in parts of South America. Starting over in Columbia, it would begin trickling down throughout the rest of th continent, starting with Venezuela. The nations of the continent have been growing more and more thanks to the start of their own tech boom. While it was caused by some generous and competitive work put by Sun Microsystems and NeXTech, the new generation of engineers, programmers and thinkers would begin working on their own line od products and the hopes would be for them to try and match up. Brazil was especially this as Sun Microsystems became quite prominent there and the country continued to keep on growing economically while also dealing with its political problems. It was not easy work, but they were getting there more and more. Of course, all of this was n the backdrop of all sorts of new political movements starting come out. Environmentalism was becoming more and more prominent and while no one was against the growing prosperity, there were growing concerns about getting there and where most of the money was going. Additionally, other issues were becoming more prominent, especially among the younger generation. Calls for reparations and better work for the Chile would finally begin implementing a smaller scale version of "Cybersyn 2.0", having been implemented to help deal with basic necessities and a state of emergancy. However, it was a far cry from the original ideal. Some believe this was done out of a caution for testing while others propose it was more due to the uneven distribution. Overall, things were pretty stable there.
 
I've nominated this tl for a Turtledove in the Cold War to Contemporary category, if anybody wants to second it :)


Thank you very much! That means alot!
 
Questions about my fave game series, mostly;
1. Are the MachineGames Wolfenstein games made?
2. Is Half-Life made?
3. Is Hoi4 made?
1- Maybe though MachineGames was jsut fund and they don't get Wolfenstein until the mid-2010s.
2- Yup, same games as usual.
3- Yup, same as well.
 
Any questions so far here?
What state do you think is the worst here, still mississippi?

I wonder if there's even anything resembling a Libertarian movement after the 80's?

I have recently seen the simpsons, and I think they would have a Ronald Raegan statue instead of a Jimmy Carter one, or would the episode still be made.

What business do you think has been destroyed the most in this timeline?

What would Mo Udalls campaign song be?
 
What state do you think is the worst here, still mississippi?
I have no clue. Worst in terms of what? The various federal reforms and so on have evened out stuff and improved things, so hard to say...

I wonder if there's even anything resembling a Libertarian movement after the 80's?
Libretarianism is undergoing some serious changes to try and survive, though I will say it is far less right-wing than OTL.

I have recently seen the simpsons, and I think they would have a Ronald Raegan statue instead of a Jimmy Carter one, or would the episode still be made.
Which episode?

What business do you think has been destroyed the most in this timeline?
Uh, what do you mean?

What would Mo Udalls campaign song be?
Not really sure admittingly ^^;
 
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