Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles

That's an interesting question. After all not just Yugoslavia but also Romania send a team to Uruguay. If her two Balkan Entente allies did why not Greece also?
And 1934 too?
I just saw that Italy and Greece were alone in their group, which means one would qualify only at the other's disadvantage. In the context of this TL increased defiance between the two countries, that could feel hard as an humiliation for the Greeks. No way as far as the Football war of 1969, but if you got Greece not to withdraw from the qualifications as it did IOTL, the atmosphere around the second qualification match being played in Greece would be... interesting.
 
Or to be more precise is the growing industrial sector in Greece will lead to a more efficient mining sector?
That is a very good question.

A major butterfly would have been a more thorough exploitation of the bauxite deposits. This is a strategic resource with geopolitical implications.
 
That is a very good question.

A major butterfly would have been a more thorough exploitation of the bauxite deposits. This is a strategic resource with geopolitical implications.
My thoughts exactly but not only with bauxite but also chromium and manganese should be in high demand in when Britain and France start rearming..i mean sure greece is manufacturing cars and trucks but is has more than enough Chromium and Britain and France would prefer greece over Italy when it comes to chromium and Greece can use the Extra pounds and francs to serve it's debt or use the funds for the armaments programs
 
Hey guys just found and watched this interesting video on the Mannlicher Schonauer by a youtube channel I really like. Here's a link.
Thought you guys might find it interesting to.
 
Oh! Just started watching this one.
Apparently the Greeks got quite a few Colt Army Special (AKA Colt Official Police) revolvers ordered for them by the french during WW1. Not a bad revolver.
 
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Is greece mining gold in the chalkidi peninsula?
The mines were active in OTL, under a Greek company since 1927 so I don't see why they wouldn't TTL. Same for the Gallikos river.

And 1934 too?
I just saw that Italy and Greece were alone in their group, which means one would qualify only at the other's disadvantage. In the context of this TL increased defiance between the two countries, that could feel hard as an humiliation for the Greeks. No way as far as the Football war of 1969, but if you got Greece not to withdraw from the qualifications as it did IOTL, the atmosphere around the second qualification match being played in Greece would be... interesting.
In OTL first game was in San Siro, on Greek independence day, the Greeks lost 4-0. The return game TTL, would be most likely played in Athens if anything the Greeks will be doing better as this guy is still playing. (Why is he still playing? Because Venizelist politics are very much affecting the internal troubles his club had in OTL at this time. Besides I say so :p ) They still lose after all Italy took the world cup that year but it's less one sided.

That is a very good question.

A major butterfly would have been a more thorough exploitation of the bauxite deposits. This is a strategic resource with geopolitical implications.
Bauxite mining is one thing, in OTL it had been discovered from 1917, mining begun in 1925 when 4,000t were produced and by 1939 production was 300,000t. Aluminium production is a different matter for that you need significant electricity production and while in OTL you had a fair bit of electrification it was mostly small scale for non industrial uses. Now granted TTL there is a notable butterfly in that respect. The Balya-Karaidin mining complex north of Aivali in Asia Minor, included extraction of lignite for electricity production and was Greek controlled including most of the workers. In OTL the 700 workers and their families were massacred in August 1922 by the Kemalist army. Not in TTL and the whole complex is within the Greek borders as well...

My thoughts exactly but not only with bauxite but also chromium and manganese should be in high demand in when Britain and France start rearming..i mean sure greece is manufacturing cars and trucks but is has more than enough Chromium and Britain and France would prefer greece over Italy when it comes to chromium and Greece can use the Extra pounds and francs to serve it's debt or use the funds for the armaments programs
Chromium is definitely extracted since the 1880s... TTL as the steel industry is starting to grow from the mid 1920s it should go beyond solely extraction at least on a limited scale... after all you can make say helmets from mild steel, or at least I wouldn't want to be using one. Manganese was also extracted as was Magnesium in OTL.
 
Well one solution i can think for aluminium production in greece is basically making a LARCO in 1930s with an powerplant attached to it with it been on the coast in larymna lignite needed for the powerplant should be cheap to ship from lets say alivery(although the straits of negroponte could be an issue...to be specific the old bridge could be a problem) but of course i am not an engineer so maybe i am just talking about something that it impossible to do in the interwar years.
 
Bauxite mining is one thing, in OTL it had been discovered from 1917, mining begun in 1925 when 4,000t were produced and by 1939 production was 300,000t. Aluminium production is a different matter for that you need significant electricity production and while in OTL you had a fair bit of electrification it was mostly small scale for non industrial uses. Now granted TTL there is a notable butterfly in that respect. The Balya-Karaidin mining complex north of Aivali in Asia Minor, included extraction of lignite for electricity production and was Greek controlled including most of the workers. In OTL the 700 workers and their families were massacred in August 1922 by the Kemalist army. Not in TTL and the whole complex is within the Greek borders as well...
More lignite will be of great assistance to the development of the greek industry.

Moreover, the Smyrna region while not as blessed with mineral wealth as Central Greece, it still contained valuable minerals for export. I am under the impression that the emery deposits fall on italian Caria. But the already developed mercury mines are in the greek zone. Granted, prices were depressed after 1930, but all the additional hard currency is helpful.
 
Part 41
Geneva, September 11, 1935

Italian troops under general De Bono had been advancing into Ethiopia for the past four days with very little resistance as the Ethiopians had decided to trade space for time before the League of Nations could come to session declaring Italy the aggressor. Imposing sanctions would take quite a bit longer and prove of dubious effect but for a few weeks it looked as if even war between Italy and the western powers was not out of the question. Greece would stand by the League but the level of unpreparedness shown by Britain and France was a shock to say the least. Britain had asked the Greeks for a an army corps of 50,000 men with 2 infantry divisions and 2 cavalry brigades to deploy to Egypt [1] while France had cited inability to handle urgent orders of artillery and aircraft the Greeks had tried to place when the crisis begun.

Sivas, October 10, 1935

If Italy had expected Turkey to meekly follow the Italian line in the invasion of Ethiopia it had been in for a shock. The Turkish public had not taken well to the invasion, considerable numbers of Turkish officers had even volunteered to go join the Ethiopian army. Kemal rather more pragmatically had seen the whole crisis as an opportunity. Within a week of the crisis Kemal had announced that Turkey would not abide any more by the military terms of the treaty of Fontainebleau, with Paris and London preoccupied the only reaction was verbal protestations from Greece that had no effect. Then he had signalled to Italy that Turkish support had a price, namely the return of Italy's Anatolian mandate to Turkey and for good measure had ordered 80,000 troops on the border of the mandate. The Italians had found themselves into something of a bind. From the very start back in 1922 Italy had been somewhat ambivalent about her newly minted colony in Anatolia as it could not quite make up its mind whether it preferred a Turkey firmly in the Italian sphere of influence or outright control of as much of Anatolia as possible. As long as Turkey remained relatively weak the Italians had tried having both, retaining the mandate and supporting the Turkish government in Sivas. But as Kemal was quick to realise this was not possible to continue doing any more. Italy had already committed 17 infantry divisions and a large number of aircraft in Ethiopia. Yet more divisions were in Libya and even more would be needed in the Italian mainland. Defending Caria would be problematic with Italy's other commitments. It was time for Italy to decide if it really wanted a friendly Turkey or not. Kemal had personally flown to Rome to negotiate with Mussolini in the start of October, taking advantage of the admiration of the Italian dictator for him and now was back in triumph as he announced Italy had agreed for the referendum on the future of Caria included in the provisions of the treaty of Fontainebleau to take place within a year. There was little doubt on what would be the result of the referendum. The other terms of the agreement need not bother the public...

Britain, November 1935

Back in June, Baldwin had taken the place of MacDonald as prime minister. Now the new election had returned another victory for the national government who elected 354 MPs, 341 of them Conservative for 190 Labour and 60 Liberal MPs. More and more the National government was nothing but the Conservatives, in the election out of the 49.6% of the popular vote for the national government nearly 48% had come from the Conservatives.

Ethiopia, December 1935

The Italian advance into Ethiopia had slowed into a crawl as De Bono wanted to rebuild his supply lines. Mussolini had promoted him to marshal then replaced him with marshal Badoglio, who had been ordered to expedite the conquest. France and Britain had actually made an attempt to end the war by offering Italy a large chunk Ethiopia with the rest becoming dependent on Italy. But the proposal when leaked to the press had created such an uproar in the French and British public to render it moot. On Christmas eve the Ethiopian army actually counterattacked hoping to surprise the Italians. In six weeks of fighting the Ethiopians would actually have some successes but superior Italian firepower, reinforcements from Italy and liberal use of phosgene and mustard gas would allow Badoglio to defeat the counterattack.

Athens, January 1936

Ελληνική Εταιρεία Οχημάτων, the Hellenic Vehicle Company or ELEO in short was created in cooperation between the Prodromos Athanasiadis Bodosakis and the Isigonis company in Smyrna, after Bodosakis bought out the Ford company's factory in Athens which had been faltering in the aftermath of the world economic crisis and Greece leaving the gold standard back in 1932. But Bodosakis could see that with the Greek economy turning upwards again, strong protectionist rules in place and the Greek army trying to rearm at an increasing pace and in need of thousands if not tens of thousands of cars the factory had every prospect of becoming a gold mine. Working with the Isigonis also made sense for its own reasons. Even though the Isigonis corporation could hardly match Bodosakis own commercial interests it was the largest industrial company in Asiatic Greece, producing machinery and engines and had start producing trucks initially for the army since the 1920s. The Isigonis also had a unique advantage as a member of the family Alexandros Isigonis had turned out to be a very talented car designer working in Britain who had just secured the cooperation with Morris Motors for his family's company.

Yugoslavia, December 1935

Milan Stojadinovic was installed as the new prime minister of Yugoslavia by the regency under prince Paul. Stojadinovic a noted economist who had stabilized the dinar back in the 1920s was very much needed at the moment given the trouble the Yugoslav economy was facing which was only made worse by the internal divisions of the country and the disaffection caused by king Alexander's royal dictatorship. But the new prime minister also had his own distinct policies, admiring Mussolini, seeking Yugoslav rapprochement with Germany, Italy and Bulgaria and a distancing from the French alliance system. Stojadinovic, even though he did not leave the Balkan Entente right away, was open to the idea of dividing up Greek Macedonia with Bulgaria as a means of solving Yugoslav-Bulgarian relations and gaining the port of Thessaloniki. Ominously the first international act of the new government would be a clearing agreement establishing trade with Germany.

Spain, February 1936

The Spanish government after struggling for two years had finally collapsed in December and new elections had been called. The new elections had been mainly contested between the National Block of right and the Popular Front of the left under conditions of massive polarization and accusations of electoral irregularities. The Popular Front had come slightly ahead with about 0.5% of the block thus gaining 285 seats in the Cortes to 131 seats of the National Block. A new Popular Front government would be formed and by April Manuel Azana would become president of the republic.

Belgrade, February 1936

King Boris III of Bulgaria made an official visit in Belgrade. While nothing tangible came out of the visit, it was certainly noted by the Greek foreign ministry and both Greek intelligence and diplomatic services were already getting troubling reports about the new prime minister. Since the previous year Greece had quietly begun fortifying her border with Bulgaria and improving fortifications in Asiatic Greece in anticipation of a two front war with Turkey and Bulgaria. The Greek army's engineering corps was secretly ordered to prepare fortification plans for the Greek-Yugoslav border as well. But the fortification of the Bulgarian border was already anticipated to cost at least 1.36 billion drachmas, nearly 4.8 million British pounds. Also fortifying the Yugoslav border could easily raise costs to nearly 2 billion...

Appendix: Treaty of Rome between Italy and Turkey

1. A referendum to take place in the Italian mandate of Anatolia over its future within 12 months of the treaty or 6 months of the end of the war in Ethiopia whatever is earliest.
2. Italian companies to retain their economic interests in the mandate territory.
3. Turkey to sign a new clearing agreement with Italy regulating trade between them. Turkish exports to Italy to be paid in lire, not freely convertible to gold or other currencies.
4. Italian nationals in Caria to remain.
5. Italy to retain the naval base of Marmaris and adjacent air bases. Turkey receives the right of using the Italian naval facilities in Marmaris.
6. Italy to diplomatically support Turkish efforts to recover Turkish populated areas in Syria and Iraq.
7. Turkey to sign a mutual defence treaty with Italy.


[1] Same as OTL.
 
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With the Abyssinian crisis a year earlier and with both France and Britain rearming earlier than in otl i wonder if Britain would be a bit less keen on appeasement..
 
But the fortification of the Bulgarian border was already anticipated to cost at least 1.36 billion drachmas, nearly 4.8 British pounds. Also fortifying the Yugoslav border could easily raise costs to nearly 2 billion...
I hope there's a missing word there. The alternative is that Greece is having some insane runaway inflation, just like Germany in 1923.

That's £4 16s.
 
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It's safe to assume it's in millions with an exchange rate at one pound sterling per 375 drachmas.
Yeah, you don't want anything like this . . .
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Of course not, but ITTL, Greece financial situation is much better owing to stability, less important and dramatic population exchange, a larger pool of resource and population, and a less severe outflow of gold before gold standard was abandonned as was written, and it hasn't defaulted on its debt. So far in the TL, no post has mentioned a Weimar 1923 style collapse, and the last time I remember in the late 1920s, the rate was between 250 and 300 drachmas per British pound. That's not so bad in comparison.
 
Britain, November 1935

Back in June, Baldwin had taken the place of MacDonald as prime minister. Now the new election had returned another victory for the national government who elected 354 MPs, 341 of them Conservative for 190 Labour and 60 Liberal MPs. More and more the National government was nothing but the Conservatives, in the election out of the 49.6% of the popular vote for the national government nearly 48% had come from the Conservatives.
The National Government has a thinner majority than OTL (429, of which 387 are Conservatives).
The creation of the ELEO is a bing change.
I have a feeling that Turkey will make its move against Asiatic Greece shortly after the Carian referendum...
 
I have a feeling that Turkey will make its move against Asiatic Greece shortly after the Carian referendum...
That they would want to do it, I wouldn't have any kind of doubts... But, they would be attacking against prepared defenses and without allies diverting the Greeks attention to Europa and/or preventing to deploy their Navy and Armies to Anatolia... So, I don't think that they would risk to attack at least not without further rearmament and preparation to fight again a war in Anatolia...
 
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