WI: Grover Cleveland didn't run for a second non-consecutive term in 1892?

TheRockofChickamauga

TheRockofChickamauga

In the absence of Cleveland, the Bourbons would have plenty of alternatives to turn to. From the outset, New York Senator David B. Hill would likely receive much public attention for his candidacy, but he certainly would not be able to amass the same coalition that Cleveland was able to and would likely find himself all smoke and no flame at the convention. There is a small chance William C. Whitney might be able to pick up the mantle (especially if Cleveland enthusiastically endorses him), but there are better and more experienced candidates for the Democrats to be choosing, leaving his prospects quite slim (especially if Hill actively runs). For senators there are the aforementioned Hill, Arthur P. Gorman of Maryland, John G. Carlisle of Kentucky, John R. McPherson of New Jersey, George Gray of Delaware, John M. Palmer of Illinois, and William F. Vilas of Wisconsin, and for the governors there are Roswell P. Flower of New York, James E. Campbell of Ohio, Robert Pattison of Pennsylvania, and William E. Russell of Massachusetts. In short, the Bourbons would have no shortage of candidates to choose from.

The interesting matter for the convention would be the proto-Populists under Governor Horace Boies of Iowa and former Representative Adlai E. Stevenson of Illinois. While they lack enough delegates loyal to them to secure the presidential nomination, they could easily get the VP slot as they did IOTL. Ultimately, I think the convention comes down to Gorman, Palmer, and Russell for the presidential nomination. If Gorman or Russell win, then Stevenson can easily slip into his OTL VP nomination, but if Palmer takes the presidential nomination then clearly he can't share the ticket with another Illinois man. Party tradition would then dictate that he choose an East Coast man as his running-mate (making the task of selecting a proto-Populist difficult). Ultimately, though, Gorman seems the most likely nominee of the three as he has the most experience.

Thus, going into the general election it is a ticket of Senator Arthur P. Gorman (D-MD)/Former Representative Adlai E. Stevenson (D-IL) against President Benjamin Harrison (R-IN)/Ambassador Whitelaw Reid (R-NY) and Former Representative James B. Weaver (P-IO)/Attorney James G. Field (P-VA). Ultimately, Gorman still likely carries the election, albeit by closer margins. Harrison probably picks up California, Indiana, and Wisconsin. That would bring him up to 180 electoral votes (more or less considering faithless electors) to Gorman's 242 and Weaver's 22. The down ballot probably stays similar to OTL in the House, but if the Republicans on the down ballot of the three states Harrison flipped from OTL to TTL then the Senate would have three more Republicans in it. Of course, the Democrats would probably still take the majority by coalescing with the Populists.
 

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TheRockofChickamauga said:
In the absence of Cleveland, the Bourbons would have plenty of alternatives to turn to. From the outset, New York Senator David B. Hill would likely receive much public attention for his candidacy, but he certainly would not be able to amass the same coalition that Cleveland was able to and would likely find himself all smoke and no flame at the convention. There is a small chance William C. Whitney might be able to pick up the mantle (especially if Cleveland enthusiastically endorses him), but there are better and more experienced candidates for the Democrats to be choosing, leaving his prospects quite slim (especially if Hill actively runs). For senators there are the aforementioned Hill, Arthur P. Gorman of Maryland, John G. Carlisle of Kentucky, John R. McPherson of New Jersey, George Gray of Delaware, John M. Palmer of Illinois, and William F. Vilas of Wisconsin, and for the governors there are Roswell P. Flower of New York, James E. Campbell of Ohio, Robert Pattison of Pennsylvania, and William E. Russell of Massachusetts. In short, the Bourbons would have no shortage of candidates to choose from.

The interesting matter for the convention would be the proto-Populists under Governor Horace Boies of Iowa and former Representative Adlai E. Stevenson of Illinois. While they lack enough delegates loyal to them to secure the presidential nomination, they could easily get the VP slot as they did IOTL. Ultimately, I think the convention comes down to Gorman, Palmer, and Russell for the presidential nomination. If Gorman or Russell win, then Stevenson can easily slip into his OTL VP nomination, but if Palmer takes the presidential nomination then clearly he can't share the ticket with another Illinois man. Party tradition would then dictate that he choose an East Coast man as his running-mate (making the task of selecting a proto-Populist difficult). Ultimately, though, Gorman seems the most likely nominee of the three as he has the most experience.

Thus, going into the general election it is a ticket of Senator Arthur P. Gorman (D-MD)/Former Representative Adlai E. Stevenson (D-IL) against President Benjamin Harrison (R-IN)/Ambassador Whitelaw Reid (R-NY) and Former Representative James B. Weaver (P-IO)/Attorney James G. Field (P-VA). Ultimately, Gorman still likely carries the election, albeit by closer margins. Harrison probably picks up California, Indiana, and Wisconsin. That would bring him up to 180 electoral votes (more or less considering faithless electors) to Gorman's 242 and Weaver's 22. The down ballot probably stays similar to OTL in the House, but if the Republicans on the down ballot of the three states Harrison flipped from OTL to TTL then the Senate would have three more Republicans in it. Of course, the Democrats would probably still take the majority by coalescing with the Populists.
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TheRockofChickamauga said:
In the absence of Cleveland, the Bourbons would have plenty of alternatives to turn to. From the outset, New York Senator David B. Hill would likely receive much public attention for his candidacy, but he certainly would not be able to amass the same coalition that Cleveland was able to and would likely find himself all smoke and no flame at the convention. There is a small chance William C. Whitney might be able to pick up the mantle (especially if Cleveland enthusiastically endorses him), but there are better and more experienced candidates for the Democrats to be choosing, leaving his prospects quite slim (especially if Hill actively runs). For senators there are the aforementioned Hill, Arthur P. Gorman of Maryland, John G. Carlisle of Kentucky, John R. McPherson of New Jersey, George Gray of Delaware, John M. Palmer of Illinois, and William F. Vilas of Wisconsin, and for the governors there are Roswell P. Flower of New York, James E. Campbell of Ohio, Robert Pattison of Pennsylvania, and William E. Russell of Massachusetts. In short, the Bourbons would have no shortage of candidates to choose from.

The interesting matter for the convention would be the proto-Populists under Governor Horace Boies of Iowa and former Representative Adlai E. Stevenson of Illinois. While they lack enough delegates loyal to them to secure the presidential nomination, they could easily get the VP slot as they did IOTL. Ultimately, I think the convention comes down to Gorman, Palmer, and Russell for the presidential nomination. If Gorman or Russell win, then Stevenson can easily slip into his OTL VP nomination, but if Palmer takes the presidential nomination then clearly he can't share the ticket with another Illinois man. Party tradition would then dictate that he choose an East Coast man as his running-mate (making the task of selecting a proto-Populist difficult). Ultimately, though, Gorman seems the most likely nominee of the three as he has the most experience.

Thus, going into the general election it is a ticket of Senator Arthur P. Gorman (D-MD)/Former Representative Adlai E. Stevenson (D-IL) against President Benjamin Harrison (R-IN)/Ambassador Whitelaw Reid (R-NY) and Former Representative James B. Weaver (P-IO)/Attorney James G. Field (P-VA). Ultimately, Gorman still likely carries the election, albeit by closer margins. Harrison probably picks up California, Indiana, and Wisconsin. That would bring him up to 180 electoral votes (more or less considering faithless electors) to Gorman's 242 and Weaver's 22. The down ballot probably stays similar to OTL in the House, but if the Republicans on the down ballot of the three states Harrison flipped from OTL to TTL then the Senate would have three more Republicans in it. Of course, the Democrats would probably still take the majority by coalescing with the Populists.
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TheRockofChickamauga said:
In the absence of Cleveland, the Bourbons would have plenty of alternatives to turn to. From the outset, New York Senator David B. Hill would likely receive much public attention for his candidacy, but he certainly would not be able to amass the same coalition that Cleveland was able to and would likely find himself all smoke and no flame at the convention. There is a small chance William C. Whitney might be able to pick up the mantle (especially if Cleveland enthusiastically endorses him), but there are better and more experienced candidates for the Democrats to be choosing, leaving his prospects quite slim (especially if Hill actively runs). For senators there are the aforementioned Hill, Arthur P. Gorman of Maryland, John G. Carlisle of Kentucky, John R. McPherson of New Jersey, George Gray of Delaware, John M. Palmer of Illinois, and William F. Vilas of Wisconsin, and for the governors there are Roswell P. Flower of New York, James E. Campbell of Ohio, Robert Pattison of Pennsylvania, and William E. Russell of Massachusetts. In short, the Bourbons would have no shortage of candidates to choose from.

The interesting matter for the convention would be the proto-Populists under Governor Horace Boies of Iowa and former Representative Adlai E. Stevenson of Illinois. While they lack enough delegates loyal to them to secure the presidential nomination, they could easily get the VP slot as they did IOTL. Ultimately, I think the convention comes down to Gorman, Palmer, and Russell for the presidential nomination. If Gorman or Russell win, then Stevenson can easily slip into his OTL VP nomination, but if Palmer takes the presidential nomination then clearly he can't share the ticket with another Illinois man. Party tradition would then dictate that he choose an East Coast man as his running-mate (making the task of selecting a proto-Populist difficult). Ultimately, though, Gorman seems the most likely nominee of the three as he has the most experience.

Thus, going into the general election it is a ticket of Senator Arthur P. Gorman (D-MD)/Former Representative Adlai E. Stevenson (D-IL) against President Benjamin Harrison (R-IN)/Ambassador Whitelaw Reid (R-NY) and Former Representative James B. Weaver (P-IO)/Attorney James G. Field (P-VA). Ultimately, Gorman still likely carries the election, albeit by closer margins. Harrison probably picks up California, Indiana, and Wisconsin. That would bring him up to 180 electoral votes (more or less considering faithless electors) to Gorman's 242 and Weaver's 22. The down ballot probably stays similar to OTL in the House, but if the Republicans on the down ballot of the three states Harrison flipped from OTL to TTL then the Senate would have three more Republicans in it. Of course, the Democrats would probably still take the majority by coalescing with the Populists.
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TheRockofChickamauga said:
In the absence of Cleveland, the Bourbons would have plenty of alternatives to turn to. From the outset, New York Senator David B. Hill would likely receive much public attention for his candidacy, but he certainly would not be able to amass the same coalition that Cleveland was able to and would likely find himself all smoke and no flame at the convention. There is a small chance William C. Whitney might be able to pick up the mantle (especially if Cleveland enthusiastically endorses him), but there are better and more experienced candidates for the Democrats to be choosing, leaving his prospects quite slim (especially if Hill actively runs). For senators there are the aforementioned Hill, Arthur P. Gorman of Maryland, John G. Carlisle of Kentucky, John R. McPherson of New Jersey, George Gray of Delaware, John M. Palmer of Illinois, and William F. Vilas of Wisconsin, and for the governors there are Roswell P. Flower of New York, James E. Campbell of Ohio, Robert Pattison of Pennsylvania, and William E. Russell of Massachusetts. In short, the Bourbons would have no shortage of candidates to choose from.

The interesting matter for the convention would be the proto-Populists under Governor Horace Boies of Iowa and former Representative Adlai E. Stevenson of Illinois. While they lack enough delegates loyal to them to secure the presidential nomination, they could easily get the VP slot as they did IOTL. Ultimately, I think the convention comes down to Gorman, Palmer, and Russell for the presidential nomination. If Gorman or Russell win, then Stevenson can easily slip into his OTL VP nomination, but if Palmer takes the presidential nomination then clearly he can't share the ticket with another Illinois man. Party tradition would then dictate that he choose an East Coast man as his running-mate (making the task of selecting a proto-Populist difficult). Ultimately, though, Gorman seems the most likely nominee of the three as he has the most experience.

Thus, going into the general election it is a ticket of Senator Arthur P. Gorman (D-MD)/Former Representative Adlai E. Stevenson (D-IL) against President Benjamin Harrison (R-IN)/Ambassador Whitelaw Reid (R-NY) and Former Representative James B. Weaver (P-IO)/Attorney James G. Field (P-VA). Ultimately, Gorman still likely carries the election, albeit by closer margins. Harrison probably picks up California, Indiana, and Wisconsin. That would bring him up to 180 electoral votes (more or less considering faithless electors) to Gorman's 242 and Weaver's 22. The down ballot probably stays similar to OTL in the House, but if the Republicans on the down ballot of the three states Harrison flipped from OTL to TTL then the Senate would have three more Republicans in it. Of course, the Democrats would probably still take the majority by coalescing with the Populists.
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The wikibox was too large to post here, so I posted it on Reddit. Also, it should have said 242 instead of 241.
https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginaryelections/comments/u1mjhy
 
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