OK. the Author is using using RoT rather than SRoT or 2RoT, so we'll go with that.
Yes, the United States will have its hands full with the former confederacy, *but* it also means Texas will now be a even more of a target of the movement to ban trade based on slave ownership. *and* the Eastern Texas slaves will have a *much* shorter distance to escape if all they need do is reach the Louisiana or Arkansas line rather than Missouri. (Which reminds me, if a slave in 1900 escaped in the Confederacy and crossed over into the IT, would they be Okay?)

Also, for all of the Texas Myths, it means that the 2nd and 3rd fights for independence (the way that they count) were to keep slavery. (And functionally by unshakling themselves from the CSA where the USA will impose the end of slavery, the 4th one will be as well)
Who will keep slavery longer? Texas or Brazil, stay tuned to CdM!
 
A thought on a completely different topic flashing forward.

iOTL, the United States National Hurricane Center is in Miami and that is the primary center for coordination and research for Hurricanes in the North Atlantic. While all countries in the World Meterological Organization Region VI (which basically consists of North America and everyone who borders the Caribbean/Gulf of Mexico) get a vote on things like Hurricane names and retirement, the United States spends more than 90% of the money for things like Hurricane Hunters and technology modelling. Everybody has weather stations and everyone gets the results, but the US is definitely the 800 pound gorilla here. While everything is produced in both English and Spanish, the core of the work tends to be in English. Cuba is still a part of things, their meterological data does get to Miami, but in the past it got routed through countries that were neutralish (Haiti and Jamaica, I *think*.)

iTTL, things are going to be a *lot* different. There are going to be years when the United States ends up with almost *no* effects from the Hurricane seasons. The Confederacy is unlikely to be putting in the level of money that the USA does iOTL and Mexico will certain put in more and there is no way that Miami would be considered for the main coordinating location. There are a number of possibilities including somewhere in Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Jamaica and even maybe Bermuda.
I'm not sure whether French would be a language that documents would be generated iTTL, but then maybe not German either. I would expect that names would be checked to see if there are any problems with meaning or spelling in German (the same way that the Hurricane that struck California was Hilary (which would be fine to Spanish speakers, not Hillary).


The Argentina/Brazil issues are unlikely to affect the South Atlantic, for various complex reasons, the South Atlantic gets no where *near* the number of Hurricanes that the North Atlantic does. They barely having a naming system for the storms and most of their modeling is actually done in Miami. The affected countries (Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil aren't hostile to the idea of putting together a more formal set up, but at this point, it generates a shrug rather than fighting.


Hawaii, no matter who controls it is likely to get the Central Pacific, the Eastern Pacific could be out of Guadalajara or some other place in Mexico.
 
I would expect that names would be checked to see if there are any problems with meaning or spelling in German (the same way that the Hurricane that struck California was Hilary (which would be fine to Spanish speakers, not Hillary
Or they can be doing what West Pacific been doing OTL, ie countries affect by hurricanes provide the name, you will be seeing lots of Spanish names in this case.

NHC, if it exist in TTL, is likely based in Mexico or British hold islands (Jamaica, Bermuda…), since these countries are where Atlantic hurricane primary making landfall after CSA and Texas.
 
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Or they can be doing what West Pacific been doing OTL, ie countries affect by hurricanes provide the name, you will be seeing lots of Spanish names in this case.

NHC, if it exist in TTL, is likely based in Mexico or British hold islands (Jamaica, Bermuda…), since these countries are where Atlantic hurricane primary making landfall after CSA and Texas.
The NHC is the name for what the US has (the N stands for National), the fact that it coordinates Hurricane detection in Region IV doesn't affect its name. Having it in Texas wouldn't be that strange. Just no obvious front runners for coordination site like iOTL.

Most of it boils down to who is willing to spend the money in the 1950s & 1960s. If Mexico has started its off shore drilling then it may be willing to. Hmm. I wonder what happens with the Confederate side of the Gulf in terms of Off Shore Drilling, Deepwater Horizon either doesn't occur due to the Confederates not having the money to do offshore drilling or could be worse due to lack of safety precautions...
 
Bengal Tiger: Subhas Chandra Bose and India
"...fully functional local economy; for most Punjabis, the revolt had in the end not uprooted as much of their day-to-day lives as they thought. (Some more modern scholarship, it should be noted, strongly disputes this longstanding perspective on the Ghadar Mutiny - stories of Mutineers shaking down families and killing civilians due to suspected pro-British sympathies have emerged in modern India after being suppressed for decades as they raised uncomfortable questions about the legacy of the Mutiny and why the rest of India did not rise in 1915-16 to join the Ghadarites when they are so feted today).

Still, despite this, Punjab was isolated after the recapture of Sindh, and trade via Russia and Afghanistan could not displace access to the full Indian market or the ports of Bombay and Calcutta, and the Bengali revolutionaries had the vast and friendly hinterlands of the North-East and chaotic peripheral China to fall back on. [1] The Mutiny began to come fully unglued with Kitchener's Amritsar Offensive in early March, which lasted a whole month but by mid-April had captured Sikhism's most holy city and thrust the Ghadarite army back towards Lahore, badly battered and having inflicted crippling casualties on it. But this did not come without a cost; tens of thousands of Anglo-Imperial soldiers were killed or badly wounded in their push, the poor logistics of Kitchener's forces were exposed, and more reports of poor treatment of native Indian forces fighting under the Union Jack, including allegations of throwing Hindu men into the line of fire as cannon fodder, continued to trickle out, angering a great many others. The behavior of the Indian Army upon entering Amritsar, out of British hands for close to a year at that point, did not help things; several hundred people were massacred in the sack, and thousands of women were allegedly raped, both by native and Imperial soldiery.

Still, the Battle of Amritsar was a body blow to Ghadar, which now had the distinct credibility of having held out against London for over a year throughout much of Punjab but which had failed to fully ignite a spark across all of India. At a moment when his political identity was starting to form, the Mutiny was thus an incredibly important moment for Bose. It was all that Indian students in Calcutta talked about, especially with small-scale terrorist attacks across Bombay by the Samiti carried out successfully as opposed to the retreating Ghadar forces on the other side of the Raj. Bose had a fairly simple set of theories - that the Ghadar Party had been too dependent on foreign financing and ideologues (that being vast network of thinkers and advocates on the North American West Coast, especially in British Vancouver and in San Francisco in California), too concentrated in Punjab's large but oft-insular Sikh community which gave it limited appeal beyond, a distinct failure to properly coordinate with the Samiti and Jugantar in Bengal, and not being able to speak to the vast Indian population in time to catch fire. With Sikhism's cradle in Amritsar fallen back to Kitchener's hands, Bose suspected it was only a matter of time before Ghadar collapsed completely, though the remarkable violence in the campaign forced British forces to regroup before attempting to push on Lahore that summer.

Nonetheless, while the Ghadarites had not lit a fire in India in February of 1915 as they had hoped, they had lit a spark, and there was no way to undo what had been done. The rage carried through from Ishii Maru to the events in Lahore did not destabilize Indian politics but nonetheless shocked the Indian public, especially in part the British response which was essentially to confine the whole of the country to their cities and grinding India's economy to a halt so it could more easily crush the rebellion. The Indian Police apparatus had swelled and informants ran to the British with even so much as a whisper of discontent, meaning that the civil service's focus began to shift from the governance of the Raj daily to investigations, harassment and documentation. The India Office in London winced at some of these tactics but, with both India and Ireland in crisis simultaneously, felt the hard hand was absolutely necessary and did little to check Kitchener's increasingly tyrannical methods of beating back opposition and pressing onwards into Punjab and keeping Delhi secure; the Ghadarites would scatter once Lahore fell in late June, their revolt defeated on paper, but the fire of passion continued to burn and insurgency in Punjab and neighboring regions would simmer for years to come, emerging as an ulcer for the British nearly as intense as the escalating one in eastern Bengal and northern Burma.

Perhaps nobody exhibited this transformation in public and elite opinion quite like Motilal Nehru, who upon his release from prison in Madras made his famous "Appeal to the Indian People," or Madras Appeal, in which he stated definitively that moderated local control, long a goal of the Indian National Congress (especially its more moderate Naram Dal faction), was "plainly impossible." Nehru had been "converted by facts," as he phrased it, and now identified with Bal Gagandhar Tilak and other hardliners within the INC of Garam Dal, who were definitive in their demand for Swaraj. It seemed plain now to Nehru, both from the ability of Ghadarites to hold out for over a year against the full might of the British Empire and then the British response being so cavalier towards Indian opinion, that India could only sustain itself through self-rule in some form much stronger than what had been proposed previously. The march towards independence was, quite definitively, at its beginning..."

- Bengal Tiger: Subhas Chandra Bose and India

[1] I want to emphasize yet again that there's basically a swath of Asia running from Yunnan through the Lao Highlands to northern Burma and the modern-day Northeast Provinces in India/northern Bangladesh that is essentially ungoverned/ungovernable. That will... be important, and for a long time
 
[1] I want to emphasize yet again that there's basically a swath of Asia running from Yunnan through the Lao Highlands to northern Burma and the modern-day Northeast Provinces in India/northern Bangladesh that is essentially ungoverned/ungovernable. That will... be important, and for a long time
Hm.

How good are the conditions in that area for growing poppies?
 
Or they can be doing what West Pacific been doing OTL, ie countries affect by hurricanes provide the name, you will be seeing lots of Spanish names in this case.

NHC, if it exist in TTL, is likely based in Mexico or British hold islands (Jamaica, Bermuda…), since these countries are where Atlantic hurricane primary making landfall after CSA and Texas.
The NHC is the name for what the US has (the N stands for National), the fact that it coordinates Hurricane detection in Region IV doesn't affect its name. Having it in Texas wouldn't be that strange. Just no obvious front runners for coordination site like iOTL.

Most of it boils down to who is willing to spend the money in the 1950s & 1960s. If Mexico has started its off shore drilling then it may be willing to. Hmm. I wonder what happens with the Confederate side of the Gulf in terms of Off Shore Drilling, Deepwater Horizon either doesn't occur due to the Confederates not having the money to do offshore drilling or could be worse due to lack of safety precautions...
Britain’s vested interest in sea navigation probably lends to some kind of cooperation on hurricanes with the US.

And yeah you’d probably not only see a Deepwater like event happen in the CSA, you’d probably have it occur more than once.
Hm.

How good are the conditions in that area for growing poppies?
Among the best in the world, why do you ask 🙃
 
So if opium dealers are TTL analog of Mexican cartels, does that put India into OTL US’s position?
Sorta? I’m not familiar enough with Afghan history to know how far back it’s opium culture goes but if it’s anything similar to OTL that means that this alt-India is wedged between the Golden Triangle and Golden Crescent and would absolutely be on the frontline of the fight against opium/heroin
 
"...fully functional local economy; for most Punjabis, the revolt had in the end not uprooted as much of their day-to-day lives as they thought. (Some more modern scholarship, it should be noted, strongly disputes this longstanding perspective on the Ghadar Mutiny - stories of Mutineers shaking down families and killing civilians due to suspected pro-British sympathies have emerged in modern India after being suppressed for decades as they raised uncomfortable questions about the legacy of the Mutiny and why the rest of India did not rise in 1915-16 to join the Ghadarites when they are so feted today).

Still, despite this, Punjab was isolated after the recapture of Sindh, and trade via Russia and Afghanistan could not displace access to the full Indian market or the ports of Bombay and Calcutta, and the Bengali revolutionaries had the vast and friendly hinterlands of the North-East and chaotic peripheral China to fall back on. [1] The Mutiny began to come fully unglued with Kitchener's Amritsar Offensive in early March, which lasted a whole month but by mid-April had captured Sikhism's most holy city and thrust the Ghadarite army back towards Lahore, badly battered and having inflicted crippling casualties on it. But this did not come without a cost; tens of thousands of Anglo-Imperial soldiers were killed or badly wounded in their push, the poor logistics of Kitchener's forces were exposed, and more reports of poor treatment of native Indian forces fighting under the Union Jack, including allegations of throwing Hindu men into the line of fire as cannon fodder, continued to trickle out, angering a great many others. The behavior of the Indian Army upon entering Amritsar, out of British hands for close to a year at that point, did not help things; several hundred people were massacred in the sack, and thousands of women were allegedly raped, both by native and Imperial soldiery.

Still, the Battle of Amritsar was a body blow to Ghadar, which now had the distinct credibility of having held out against London for over a year throughout much of Punjab but which had failed to fully ignite a spark across all of India. At a moment when his political identity was starting to form, the Mutiny was thus an incredibly important moment for Bose. It was all that Indian students in Calcutta talked about, especially with small-scale terrorist attacks across Bombay by the Samiti carried out successfully as opposed to the retreating Ghadar forces on the other side of the Raj. Bose had a fairly simple set of theories - that the Ghadar Party had been too dependent on foreign financing and ideologues (that being vast network of thinkers and advocates on the North American West Coast, especially in British Vancouver and in San Francisco in California), too concentrated in Punjab's large but oft-insular Sikh community which gave it limited appeal beyond, a distinct failure to properly coordinate with the Samiti and Jugantar in Bengal, and not being able to speak to the vast Indian population in time to catch fire. With Sikhism's cradle in Amritsar fallen back to Kitchener's hands, Bose suspected it was only a matter of time before Ghadar collapsed completely, though the remarkable violence in the campaign forced British forces to regroup before attempting to push on Lahore that summer.

Nonetheless, while the Ghadarites had not lit a fire in India in February of 1915 as they had hoped, they had lit a spark, and there was no way to undo what had been done. The rage carried through from Ishii Maru to the events in Lahore did not destabilize Indian politics but nonetheless shocked the Indian public, especially in part the British response which was essentially to confine the whole of the country to their cities and grinding India's economy to a halt so it could more easily crush the rebellion. The Indian Police apparatus had swelled and informants ran to the British with even so much as a whisper of discontent, meaning that the civil service's focus began to shift from the governance of the Raj daily to investigations, harassment and documentation. The India Office in London winced at some of these tactics but, with both India and Ireland in crisis simultaneously, felt the hard hand was absolutely necessary and did little to check Kitchener's increasingly tyrannical methods of beating back opposition and pressing onwards into Punjab and keeping Delhi secure; the Ghadarites would scatter once Lahore fell in late June, their revolt defeated on paper, but the fire of passion continued to burn and insurgency in Punjab and neighboring regions would simmer for years to come, emerging as an ulcer for the British nearly as intense as the escalating one in eastern Bengal and northern Burma.

Perhaps nobody exhibited this transformation in public and elite opinion quite like Motilal Nehru, who upon his release from prison in Madras made his famous "Appeal to the Indian People," or Madras Appeal, in which he stated definitively that moderated local control, long a goal of the Indian National Congress (especially its more moderate Naram Dal faction), was "plainly impossible." Nehru had been "converted by facts," as he phrased it, and now identified with Bal Gagandhar Tilak and other hardliners within the INC of Garam Dal, who were definitive in their demand for Swaraj. It seemed plain now to Nehru, both from the ability of Ghadarites to hold out for over a year against the full might of the British Empire and then the British response being so cavalier towards Indian opinion, that India could only sustain itself through self-rule in some form much stronger than what had been proposed previously. The march towards independence was, quite definitively, at its beginning..."

- Bengal Tiger: Subhas Chandra Bose and India

[1] I want to emphasize yet again that there's basically a swath of Asia running from Yunnan through the Lao Highlands to northern Burma and the modern-day Northeast Provinces in India/northern Bangladesh that is essentially ungoverned/ungovernable. That will... be important, and for a long time
It will be interesting to see if anything interesting comes out of the fact that the Indian Provinces along the Burmese border are actually Majority Christian (one of the most significant concentrations of Christians in Asia west of Persia. ) due to late 19th century proselytizing by, among others the Welsh. Could be the source of an Christian-Opium equivalent to the Assassins.

Feels like that area is going to be the equivalent of the Columbian/Venezuelan border of OTL. I wonder if Opium will be a large enough issue to get a United India...
 
Sorta? I’m not familiar enough with Afghan history to know how far back it’s opium culture goes but if it’s anything similar to OTL that means that this alt-India is wedged between the Golden Triangle and Golden Crescent and would absolutely be on the frontline of the fight against opium/heroin
And compare to US-Mexico border, it will be even harder to have proper border control due to mountainous terrain, and I don’t think this India will be as powerful as OTL US.
 
It will be interesting to see if anything interesting comes out of the fact that the Indian Provinces along the Burmese border are actually Majority Christian (one of the most significant concentrations of Christians in Asia west of Persia. ) due to late 19th century proselytizing by, among others the Welsh. Could be the source of an Christian-Opium equivalent to the Assassins.

Feels like that area is going to be the equivalent of the Columbian/Venezuelan border of OTL. I wonder if Opium will be a large enough issue to get a United India...
We’re headed for United India anyways (sans Burma). Some of those Christian provinces could wind up within Burma of course but likelier than not remain Indian - which of course creates some interesting butterflies
And compare to US-Mexico border, it will be even harder to have proper border control due to mountainous terrain, and I don’t think this India will be as powerful as OTL US.
Absolutely correct on both counts
 
What is the reaction of Indian muslims and princes?
The princes are the backbone of the Raj’s support network, of course, and Muslims were over represented in the Indian Army compared to their total population due to British prejudice/stereotypes. So I’d say their reaction is probably more pro-British, but Kitchener being Kitchener is still creating frays
 
The other question about this connection between the Golden Triangle and the Golden Crescent is Tibet, with China relatively weak, control of the western half (geograpbically) of modern China becomes a question. With China weaker and Russia just standing on the sidelines of this Alt-WWI, Russia may have more ability to control parts of Central Asia. Heck, with Britain not always rolling 6s, could the Russians manage to grab Afghanistan? (And I'm trying to think whether we've had any major butterflies involving Persia.)
 
I could see lots of minor acts of sabotage and resistance throughout India. Railway tracks and telegraph lines being destroyed, land and tax records being lost or burned, machinery broken or goods 'accidentally' destroyed.
 
The other question about this connection between the Golden Triangle and the Golden Crescent is Tibet, with China relatively weak, control of the western half (geograpbically) of modern China becomes a question. With China weaker and Russia just standing on the sidelines of this Alt-WWI, Russia may have more ability to control parts of Central Asia. Heck, with Britain not always rolling 6s, could the Russians manage to grab Afghanistan? (And I'm trying to think whether we've had any major butterflies involving Persia.)
Russia’s not really in a position to fully suck in Afghanistan, but it’s absolutely been able to foment a much more Russophilic Afghan regime. Combine this with its relative success in creating a string of friendly regimes in Turkestan, Mongolia and Manchuria, and it’s hard to describe St Pete’s “turn to Asia” post-1878 as anything short of a smashing success (all the dead Russian soldiers in Manchuria notwithstanding)

Persia we’ll get an update on here shortly
I could see lots of minor acts of sabotage and resistance throughout India. Railway tracks and telegraph lines being destroyed, land and tax records being lost or burned, machinery broken or goods 'accidentally' destroyed.
That’s kind of the idea. Kitchener’s defeat of Ghadar was a tactical and partial strategic victory but most certainly not a political one; you’ve traded avoiding a total conflagration for a consistent simmer that you don’t know if you can ever turn off
 
And I'm trying to think whether we've had any major butterflies involving Persia
Yes. We had. With Less Russian influence in Persia, the Constitutional Revolution was more of a success than OTL. Also no Anglo-Russian Convention. Persia is entirely British.
 
Persia we’ll get an update on here shortly
What topic about Persia could that update showcase?
Also the last update mademe both insanly sad and patriotic for some reason. Like that feeling when Americans see Nathan Hale being executed. Seems like we will give UK their Vietnam/ Spain... Unless Ireland has already given one.Also seems like Bose did a 180°turn from otl. Though it seems fair as there more support for violent revolution at home than in otl.Also seems like the Northeast Anarchy will feed more into the Opium Trade Arc rather than the Swaraj Arc. Kolkata is there for Swaraj.
 
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