As another thought. There are seven nations that border the North Sea, at some point post-war we'll have Norway (controlled by), a conservative Sweden, a Victorious Germany, and broken (for lack of a better term) France and Belgium. This leaves only the Netherlands and Denmark as access points for direct British Influence in Europe.
The external politics of the Netherlands vis a vis both the UK and Germany suddenly become very, VERY important
Denmark is in trouble too - they are allied to the French
Indeed!
It'd be translated as "Il n'y a pas de Belges" or "Il n'est pas de Belge" (the latter one is more stylish, like I would imagine Belle Epoque French to sound like, but the former is a closer translation).

"Syndicat Général Belge". I'm a bit surprised though by the national adjective since I envisioned syndicalists being more internationalists and rather avoiding of any national particularism, that if 'Belgian' is the term, but "of Belgium"/ "de Belgique" has another spin to it if you look for one. For reference, I have in mind the former name of the French Socialists, SFIO, which was French Section of the Workers' Internationale.
They haven’t quite shifted to a fully internationalist position yet - the dream is still syndicalism at the national level first, then bigger once that’s achieved nation by nation
 
So, I've been wondering about the propaganda side of the GAW (especially since Propaganda played such a huge part in WWI in OTL). And one of the things which crossed my mind was the slurs and nicknamess that the different sides have for one another.

A number of more famous national 'nicknames' - such as Limey, Kraut, L'Beoff - are based on perceived national dishes or other foods which are important (limey came, of course, from the British navy giving out lime juice as rations to fight scurvy). So, I'm wondering if the Union hasn't started to call Confederate soldiers "Grits." Not sure what Confederates would call Union soldiers as a counter-denigration. It could well be something which has become standard rations for US soldiers (sadly, we're a few years early for SPAM to be created). Perhapse Diamond Milling Company gets a government contract to supply Cream of Wheat to the troops (nice to see a big business in Dakota :) ) and then we have Grits vs. Wheaties - which is somewhat hilarious :)
 
So, I've been wondering about the propaganda side of the GAW (especially since Propaganda played such a huge part in WWI in OTL). And one of the things which crossed my mind was the slurs and nicknamess that the different sides have for one another.

A number of more famous national 'nicknames' - such as Limey, Kraut, L'Beoff - are based on perceived national dishes or other foods which are important (limey came, of course, from the British navy giving out lime juice as rations to fight scurvy). So, I'm wondering if the Union hasn't started to call Confederate soldiers "Grits." Not sure what Confederates would call Union soldiers as a counter-denigration. It could well be something which has become standard rations for US soldiers (sadly, we're a few years early for SPAM to be created). Perhapse Diamond Milling Company gets a government contract to supply Cream of Wheat to the troops (nice to see a big business in Dakota :) ) and then we have Grits vs. Wheaties - which is somewhat hilarious :)
Heh it’s certainly a thought
 
Sort of a wierd bankshot from the writing. The write-up about the Hurricanes and the resulting Battle of Cozumel included the phrase "...New Orleans and flooding much of low-lying Louisiana, disrupting supplies from the Confederacy's last untouched state to elsewhere."


There are quite a few Confederate States that I don't think the US Army has reached yet, specifically: Florida, North Carolina and South Carolina. At some point it was mentioned by the Author that the US (Marines, I guess) took Key West and I *guess* the battle of Hilton Head counts as having touched South Carolina. However, that leaves out North Carolina. I haven't see anything indicating that the US has managed to strike far enough east from Knoxville to cross the North Carolina line , so presumably, it is the US Navy which has touched North Carolina. But the northern 2/3 of the North Carolina coastline is protected by the Outer Banks and maneuvering the US Navy through the gaps in the Outer Banks into Pimlico & Albemarle Sound to attack a city like New Bern would be painful. So, by this line of reasoning, the US Navy at some point attacked the only port in North Carolina south of the Outer Banks: Wilmington, North Carolina.

I presume that the attack on Alabama is from the North, since Mobile would probably be a less attractive target than New Orleans.
 
Though I could easily see any nicknames used by their Grandfathers being recycled...

True - but I'm sure some new ones will have developed over the past 50 years or so; and most certainly some new ones will take hold during the war. For instance, 'Huns' was still used during WW2 but not NEARLY to the same level it had been a generation earlier; instead Heinies became a more common one. And also, I'm not sure that many of the older Union slurs for Confederates would be as relevant anymore; Rebs and Johnny Reb doesn't work once they already won the rebellion after all.
 
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Been away for a few weeks been great to come back and have plenty posts to catch up on, Sad to see Max's health beginning to fail, cant wait to see the Texan revolt. And Belgium as ever continues to be a pressure cooker just waiting to explode
 
Been away for a few weeks been great to come back and have plenty posts to catch up on, Sad to see Max's health beginning to fail, cant wait to see the Texan revolt. And Belgium as ever continues to be a pressure cooker just waiting to explode
Trying to think about how much various participants outside here care about the Texan revolt.
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There is no question that the US would at least mildly support it, it weakens the Confederacy even more and at this point, they'd rather have a smaller oil rich (they know Texas has oil, they don't realize how much) country they have a chance of dominating than their major enemy over the last 50 years having the oil.
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I *think* Mexico supports it, (but wouldn't if it would put them directly opposed to the US), simply because with the lesser damage to the core of Texas (Houston and San Antonio at least), an independent Texas *might* be a better neighbor than the absolute disaster that the CSA will be. (Not sure whether they'll see that in the future)
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I'm not sure anyone else particularly cares one way or another. I'm guessing that the borders of the 2nd RoT will be the borders of the CSA State of Texas. (I don't remember if that includes the OTL Oklahoma Panhandle, which wasn't part of the US State of Texas in order to allow slavery since that is north of 36'30") If this was 30 years later and people knew about the oil farther west then maybe the US grabs West Texas, but I *think* that the oil discovered to this point is east of the 100th parallel.
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The other question is whether a revolting Texas *wants* US Troops in the country, I think not. Though in some ways this is sort of like Guatemala, the peace treaty calls for Mexican troops to be withdrawn, but on the ground at least in the *short* term, US and Mexican interests align and keeping Mexican troops there won't generate screams of outrage in Philadelphia. Mexican troops occupying Laredo (the US town on the Texan side of the border where the Rail from San Antonio into Mexico goes) will *not* be viewed as a violation of the treaty. The closest comparison that I can make would be German help for the Poles in the OTL Polish Soviet war, but unlike in that war, I expect the boundary disputes between Mexico and Texas will be at the level of the Mexico US disputes (islands affected by changes in flow of the Rio Grande).
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Also, I expect that the Presidents of the RoT will *deliberately* alternate which foreign capital they visit first in their term between Philadelphia and Mexico City. Also, iOTL the Sabine (which will be the southern half of the RoT-CSA border) has quite a bit of flow diverted for supplying Fresh water for Western Louisiana. That could be interesting. :)
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Trying to think about how much various participants outside here care about the Texan revolt.
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There is no question that the US would at least mildly support it, it weakens the Confederacy even more and at this point, they'd rather have a smaller oil rich (they know Texas has oil, they don't realize how much) country they have a chance of dominating than their major enemy over the last 50 years having the oil.
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I *think* Mexico supports it, (but wouldn't if it would put them directly opposed to the US), simply because with the lesser damage to the core of Texas (Houston and San Antonio at least), an independent Texas *might* be a better neighbor than the absolute disaster that the CSA will be. (Not sure whether they'll see that in the future)
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I'm not sure anyone else particularly cares one way or another. I'm guessing that the borders of the 2nd RoT will be the borders of the CSA State of Texas. (I don't remember if that includes the OTL Oklahoma Panhandle, which wasn't part of the US State of Texas in order to allow slavery since that is north of 36'30") If this was 30 years later and people knew about the oil farther west then maybe the US grabs West Texas, but I *think* that the oil discovered to this point is east of the 100th parallel.
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The other question is whether a revolting Texas *wants* US Troops in the country, I think not. Though in some ways this is sort of like Guatemala, the peace treaty calls for Mexican troops to be withdrawn, but on the ground at least in the *short* term, US and Mexican interests align and keeping Mexican troops there won't generate screams of outrage in Philadelphia. Mexican troops occupying Laredo (the US town on the Texan side of the border where the Rail from San Antonio into Mexico goes) will *not* be viewed as a violation of the treaty. The closest comparison that I can make would be German help for the Poles in the OTL Polish Soviet war, but unlike in that war, I expect the boundary disputes between Mexico and Texas will be at the level of the Mexico US disputes (islands affected by changes in flow of the Rio Grande).
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Also, I expect that the Presidents of the RoT will *deliberately* alternate which foreign capital they visit first in their term between Philadelphia and Mexico City. Also, iOTL the Sabine (which will be the southern half of the RoT-CSA border) has quite a bit of flow diverted for supplying Fresh water for Western Louisiana. That could be interesting. :)
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Yeah, I didn't really want to screw with Texas' borders too much; but the OK Panhandle is part of the TX Panhandle here
 
Our New Asia: Revolution and Retrenchment in the Early 20th Century Far East
"...flawed assumptions. Japanese pan-Asianism seldom, if ever, took on any flavor that did not have the Home Islands as the bright red sun around which the rest of Asia (at the very least, East Asia) orbited. However, the achievement of such pan-Asianist ambitions nonetheless mapped out onto two superficially similar but in practice considerably different forms of Japanese influence and supremacy.

The first was popular with the militarists and ultraconservatives among the genro and Japanese intellectual class (and, unsurprisingly, its Army and Navy), which was that a series of puppet states and outright colonies could be formed and seized throughout Asia. This line of thinking looked at European imperialism, primarily in Africa and South or Southeast Asia, and persuaded itself that Japan was due the same prestige and power. It was this approach that had been borne out of the Meiji Reforms attempting to "Europeanize" Japan and make it more modern to compete, that had created the Anglophilic Navy and Prussophile Army, and that had partially motivated the Japanese ambitions to drive Spain from the Philippines in 1903. This was an ideology and doctrine of pure force, that Japan deserved to take whatever she wanted within her sphere of influence like Europeans had done in theirs.

The second line of thinking was not exactly egalitarian but centered in a more opportunist point of view that looked to the success of the Katipunan in the Philippines, the Guomindang in China, and the remarkable ability of the Ghadarite mutineers in Punjab and other parts of North India over the course of 1915 to hold out against considerable British pressure. The revolutionary wave in Asia that started in the late 1890s and was now picking up steam spoke not only to starry-eyed, utopian pan-Asian Japanese intellectuals and students but also to more pragmatic centrists in the government who saw it as a chance to create a unified Asian bloc that would drive European influence out totally and create something of an Oriental facsimile of the Congress of Vienna, in which Japan sat clearly at the top of a hierarchy of continental powers in control of Asian trade and finance and playing local despots and potentates off of one another for influence. Pan-Asian revolutionaries were to them not a threat but an opportunity, friends to be made and catspaws to be used.

Part of the reason this second line of thinking began to become such a prominent strain in Japanese foreign policy approaches in the mid-1910s is that, by and large, the revolutionaries across Asia tended to be strongly Japanophile, particularly in the Guomindang. The Meiji Reforms had been viewed as a blueprint, most prominently in Korea and Siam, for smaller buffer states to increase their own ability to keep Europeans out of their domestic affairs, and the nationalist, republican and progressive ideal espoused by the Guomindang in China began to appeal to young, often educated Asians who were tired not only of European hegemony but of the often corrupt and feudal native dynasties that were used to prop up said control.

Nonetheless, both of these similar strategems were born of a place of Japanese arrogance, and the Opportunists around Foreign Minister Kato Takaaki took the line that they needed to reveal the potential success of their approach for it to have any chance of crystalizing before another war with a European power erupted. It was also the case that several successive Japanese Cabinets, including those steered by men as esteemed as Ito Hirobumi, had been consumed and sunk by scandals, and Tokyo badly needed a public relations win. As such, Kato issued in November of 1915 the now-infamous Shandong Demands, a brief missive to Nanking in which Japan outlined its views on the future relations between Japan and China, a decision which was in the end a total disaster that ended his career almost as soon as it began.

The Demands essentially suggested that China should allow Japan full and unfettered access to the market of Shandong via their concession at Tsingtao, access that included extraterritoriality, and would have secured Japanese ownership of all railways in Shandong, its raw resources, and veto power over all provincial officials in matters of finances, taxation and even education. Less harsh demands included a Japanese-Chinese defensive alliance with Japan "guaranteeing the sovereignty of Chinese waters" with its substantial navy, the elimination of any barriers to Japanese students and educators going to China and vice versa, and a reworking of Chinese debts to Japan both from the Boxer War and other general commercial endeavors that while favorable to Tokyo was by no means unreasonable.

Japan made several assumptions in issuing this diplomatic note, most of them incorrect. Their first assumption was that France and Austria, which had the concessions of Chefou and Weihai on the northern coast of Shandong, would quietly acquiesce to Japan's rendering of both treaty ports as effectively worthless, which France in particular did most certainly did not. Their second assumption was that China would "be honorable" and negotiate with Japan in secret, rather than publish the demands and thus excite both Chinese public opinion as well as alarm European powers, who just like in the Triple Intervention of 1903 collaborated immediately to support Nanking's position. There was also the belief that the United States, which was occupied with its Great American War but which enjoyed extensive commercial interests in Korea and China and was the largest provider of Christian missionaries in Asia (slightly ahead of Britain), was too busy to notice; the conservative incumbent administration in the United States responded by sending a valuable dreadnought across the Pacific to its treaty port of Chusan, near Shanghai. A similar belief about Britain in India also failed to materialize as the Royal Navy's Hong Kong squadron nearly doubled in size and Singapore was further reinforced. Japan's hopes that Russia would support it failed to materialize, as Saint Petersburg, unwilling to risk the Oriental stability it finally enjoyed with its Manchurian puppet and worried that taking too Japanophile a line would risk its considerable and growing influence in Korea, quietly but firmly refused to take Tokyo's side.

The worst assumption, though, was that because the Guomindang - specifically its chief ideologue, Sun Yat-sen - admired Japan so much, and viewed it as a model for Chinese reforms, that the revolutionaries in Canton and other parts of the Chinese southeast would act as something of a Japanese advocate internally within China. Two things were gravely wrong with this thinking. The first was that the Guomindang admired Japan's capabilities to reform, not Japanese culture or, more specifically, foreign policy; while they had praised Tokyo for its intervention on behalf of the Katipunan in the Philippines, they did not want to be puppetized as the Katipunan to an extent had been. The Guomindang after all were the Chinese Nationalist Party and they took that nationalism seriously, and though their pan-Asianism was of the more collaborative school, the Shandong Demands were anything but.

The other was that Sun's influence was waning and Song Chiao-jen, who was very pointedly not a Japanophile, was ascendant, and elections were to be held in late January of 1916 which the Guomindang sought to win after coming so close in 1913. The Demands were thus issued at a time when both the creaky, traditionalist conservative administration of Li Yuanhong needed to burnish its nationalist credentials and the Guomindang needed to show the Chinese people that it could defend their real-world interests against hated foreigners. The Chinese elections of 1915-16 thus descended into a show of outward xenophobia, largely directed at Japan.

The incident did little to advance Japanese interests and instead isolated her from not only Europeans but also Asians, while disempowering for the time being the Opportunist faction and instead suggesting to the more extremist voices in Japan that if European influence in Asia was to be ended, it would have to be done by sending their fleets to the bottom of the sea. Many lessons were learned in the fall of 1915 on both sides of the Yellow Sea - Japan, perhaps, learned the wrong ones..."

- Our New Asia: Revolution and Retrenchment in the Early 20th Century Far East
 
Japan's made some, granted not wise moves in some cases but I suppose it's the time to do while Asia's boiling over and the powers are becoming distracted with their own issues.

That said I admit I think Japan viewing rose tinted lenses to how other Asians see them are a natural part of being a great power and rising to the top at this time meant they view the rest as the bottom.
 
suggesting to the more extremist voices in Japan that if European influence in Asia was to be ended, it would have to be done by sending their fleets to the bottom of the sea.
*Looks at the post-GAW American Navy, easily the best in the Western Hemisphere and, at worst, the second-best in the world. Remembers that basically the only thing Liberals and Democrats agree on is that the Navy should get every dollar they want and then some and it has been that way for decades at this point with no sign of stopping or even slowing down.*

*Looks at the Royal Navy, still the Royal Navy, and the only navy that can compete with the USN post 1920.*

*Realizes that's there's no way in hell that the US will ever sign a WNT ITTL, which OTL served as a brake on the RN/USN building efforts to the benefit of Japan, which was too extremist-ruled and short-sighted to see that. ITTL, no WNT means that the US can just keep laying down hulls.*

Anyway, Japan, I wish you all the best in your future endeavors. Best of luck trying to take on the USN/RN (to say nothing of the Kaiserliche Marine and whatever remains of the Marine Nationale post-CEW). You fought Spain admirably and well, but trying to tangle with the RN/USN is like going from Division III football to the NFL.
 
Japan's made some, granted not wise moves in some cases but I suppose it's the time to do while Asia's boiling over and the powers are becoming distracted with their own issues.

That said I admit I think Japan viewing rose tinted lenses to how other Asians see them are a natural part of being a great power and rising to the top at this time meant they view the rest as the bottom.
I remember that in WW2, they tried to do this too, but failed due to reasons that will not exist here…
That being said, I think the project here would fail too, or rather explode in the face of Japan.
In WW2, their Pan-Asianist project were most accepted, as I remember at least, at Thailand, an ally of them which was not a puppet, but rather an ally with a firm leash who were occasionally granted some of their claims.
So, in TTL, the ideas’ success will be limited to their Filipino puppet-sequel state, mainly because they have enough bones (territorial claims) to throw, or show off, for quite a bit time.
 
whatever remains of the Marine Nationale post-CEW
going by EU thread Japan gets Taiwan at somepoint in future.... Also that DEI will last untill 1976.
We also know that Qing Manchuria wil survive until 1957.
We know that there will be an independent Vietnam .
We know that KMT will rule China like PRI.
Only thing we font Know that is that Whether the Japanese take Hainan and Korea.
So not a good time for Marine Nationale...
 
So, in TTL, the ideas’ success will be limited to their Filipino puppet-sequel state, mainly because they have enough bones (territorial claims) to throw, or show off, for quite a bit time.
The author has explicitly stated in the EU thread that Taiwan will be Japanese by 2023.
 
Japan's made some, granted not wise moves in some cases but I suppose it's the time to do while Asia's boiling over and the powers are becoming distracted with their own issues.

That said I admit I think Japan viewing rose tinted lenses to how other Asians see them are a natural part of being a great power and rising to the top at this time meant they view the rest as the bottom.
That’s more or less it. Japan stepped on a rake with how it handled the Shandong issue here but it’s opportunistic streak certainly hasn’t quieted yet
*Looks at the post-GAW American Navy, easily the best in the Western Hemisphere and, at worst, the second-best in the world. Remembers that basically the only thing Liberals and Democrats agree on is that the Navy should get every dollar they want and then some and it has been that way for decades at this point with no sign of stopping or even slowing down.*

*Looks at the Royal Navy, still the Royal Navy, and the only navy that can compete with the USN post 1920.*

*Realizes that's there's no way in hell that the US will ever sign a WNT ITTL, which OTL served as a brake on the RN/USN building efforts to the benefit of Japan, which was too extremist-ruled and short-sighted to see that. ITTL, no WNT means that the US can just keep laying down hulls.*

Anyway, Japan, I wish you all the best in your future endeavors. Best of luck trying to take on the USN/RN (to say nothing of the Kaiserliche Marine and whatever remains of the Marine Nationale post-CEW). You fought Spain admirably and well, but trying to tangle with the RN/USN is like going from Division III football to the NFL.
If anything, Philadelphia’s bipartisan boner for the USN will probably be even more… idk, engorged? after the GAW. The Navy was able to deliver decisive, war-changing victories at the Desventuradas and Hilton Head, and then pick off whatever was left of the enemy at Florida Straits and Cozumel. Compare to the Army grinding it out in a bloody, horrifying slog with hundreds of thousands dead and wounded. The Great American War has been an overwhelming real-time endorsement of Mahanism in the eyes of American policymakers.

And no WNT - because why on earth would the US acquiesce to that now? - means that they can rotate serious forces to Port Hamilton or Chusan anytime Japan starts rattling the saber. Neither of those are Manila Bay, mind you, but Port Hamilton is right in Japan’s sea lanes
I remember that in WW2, they tried to do this too, but failed due to reasons that will not exist here…
That being said, I think the project here would fail too, or rather explode in the face of Japan.
In WW2, their Pan-Asianist project were most accepted, as I remember at least, at Thailand, an ally of them which was not a puppet, but rather an ally with a firm leash who were occasionally granted some of their claims.
So, in TTL, the ideas’ success will be limited to their Filipino puppet-sequel state, mainly because they have enough bones (territorial claims) to throw, or show off, for quite a bit time.
One thing here is that while the GMD is inspired in part by the Filipinos, they are walking the walk more on revealing a pan-Asianism that can actually inspire others, such as in India (and soon Vietnam, as we’ll see)

Siam’s coziness with Germany means that they haven’t really had to expound and elucidate their own governing philosophy. Korea has a bit of a similar issue
going by EU thread Japan gets Taiwan at somepoint in future.... Also that DEI will last untill 1976.
We also know that Qing Manchuria wil survive until 1957.
We know that there will be an independent Vietnam .
We know that KMT will rule China like PRI.
Only thing we font Know that is that Whether the Japanese take Hainan and Korea.
So not a good time for Marine Nationale...
Indeed we should ponder how exactly Taiwan, which is currently French Formosa, becomes Japanese…
 
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