Sean Mulligan
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The Chinese had no choice but to enter the war, with the refusal of Macarthur's forces to heed their warning about going near the Chinese border.
Outrun my Gun: The Presidency of Douglas MacArthur
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The Chinese had no choice but to enter the war, with the refusal of Macarthur's forces to heed their warning about going near the Chinese border.
MacArhur as President???
Would his presidenty have brought about the growth of the Doug MarArthur Super Republican/over patriotic youth -dressed in faded Khaki/battered army hats/sunglasses/ and corncob pipes who go around chanting that MacArthur and the GOP know what's best for the USA-and that anyone who dares meddle with the GOP/Capitalist system is a closet pinko Communist follower of FDR/Truman who are traitors to the Calvin Coolidge/Herbert Hoover memorial to the American Way of Business!!
Would his presidenty have brought about the growth of the Doug MarArthur Super Republican/over patriotic youth -dressed in faded Khaki/battered army hats/sunglasses/ and corncob pipes who go around chanting that MacArthur and the GOP know what's best for the USA-and that anyone who dares meddle with the GOP/Capitalist system is a closet pinko Communist follower of FDR/Truman who are traitors to the Calvin Coolidge/Herbert Hoover memorial to the American Way of Business!!
How can the Nationalists be apart of the mainland Chinese government? They have no support on the mainland whatsoever on the mainland. That is why they were driven off the mainland so relatively easily, despite the support of the U.S. during the Civil War. They don't even have support on Taiwan, which rebelled against the Nationalists in 1946.
The reporter is pretty biased about France. Red Rabble that plague France? Pink Government?
The Nationalists still have support among the Muslims of China. The "Joint" government is an attempt to try and make China a nuetral power; as most have guessed it will fail.
Yah, the reporter is biased. Most of the written accounts whether books or News Paper clippings will have some level of bias, some more than others. He has no evidence that Salan has more support than the government, in fact evidence would show the opposite, if Salan had more support he wouldn't be planning to pull off a brutal coup.
Almost all reporters are - one of the reasons I like this TL and am glad to see it back.
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I was planning on updating today, but I'm revising some stuff dealing with the Uprising of 1953 in East Germany. I may still update today, but I'm unsure
Re: Sean_Mulligan: You bring up a lot of good points.... everything I assume General Finley hopes for his readers to see underneath the journalist's editorial. This is not a fantasy-fulfillment timeline I believe, but the beginnings of a dystopia.
We seem to be heading towards: civil war France, civil war China, humanitarian nightmare China, unstable nuclear USSR, and only the author knows what else.
We seem to be heading towards: civil war France, civil war China, humanitarian nightmare China, unstable nuclear USSR, and only the author knows what else.
WTF? Are you saying that Truman should have nuked China? His whole point during the Korean War was to save South Korea without starting WWIII.
The Nationalists entering a coalition will end badly.
Exert taken from “Battered and Broke: The Story of Russia”
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…Stalin’s death came at possibly the worst moment for the USSR. Stalin’s final purge had gutted the Party, of the old timers and the up incomers only Molotov and Shepilov remained alive and holding any significant amount of power. Of the two it would be Molotov who seized control over the politically weakened USSR. Molotov sought immediate reconcilement with Lin’s the People’s Republic of China, though bowing to pressure to exact territorial concessions from the PRC. Molotov’s Minister of Foreign Affairs, Dmitri Shepilov would take part in the negotiations with the United States, Korea, and Communist China that brought the Korean War to an end; but even still Molotov’s hold on the government of the USSR was tenuous at best. He had come to power in a USSR that had been governmentally handicapped by Stalin’s mass slaughter; he presided over the USSR as communism took its first major hit. With an American victory in Korea and the USSR destabilized by the vast political vacuum, the USSR’s hold over Eastern Europe began to weaken and then it began to break.
The USSR’s tenuous hold over Eastern Europe would first see its break when Imre Nagy became Prime Minister of the People's Republic of Hungary. Nagy did not agree with the one party communist hardliners like Molotov and he saw the opportunity to push Hungary away from the USSR. He promoted a new course in socialism. Nagy remained steadfastly committed to Marxism; but his conception of Marxism was as "a science that cannot remain static", rallying against "the rigid Stalinist monopoly". He began moving Hungary toward a multiparty political system and then threatening to withdraw Hungary fromCouncil for Mutual Economic Assistance and asking for the United States and Great Britain to recognize Hungary as a neutral state.
Nearly in concert with the peaceful realignment of Hungary came the violent June Rising in East Germany. The Simple fact was that with the massive amount of troops allocated to fight in China the USSR had greatly reduced its capabilities to quickly suppress the risings in Eastern Europe and by the time a division of Soviet troops was sent to assist Volkspolizei the rebellion had grown significantly. The Communist government had lost control over most of East Berlin; weapons had fallen into the hands of the protesters, and revolution had spread to other parts on Easter Germany. From Western Germany the radio station broadcasting in the American Sector broadcasted that the government in East Germany had fallen. For the most part this was true, the government had fled with the fall of East Berlin and the Soviets were forced to divert forces sent to Germany to try and suppress the growing revolt in Poland that had started over strikes in the coal mining regions of the country.
Molotov began to threaten invasion of East Germany and Hungary which was in turn met with mixed signals from the United States. President MacArthur, for the most part, was focused on Asia rather than Europe, but he was intensely anti-communist. For the impetuous general the opportunity had come to stick a fork in the USSR. Against the advice of Dwight D. Eisenhower and many other, MacArthur agreed to the request by the revolutionary government of East Berlin to move troops into the former Soviet half of the city…
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…Stalin’s death came at possibly the worst moment for the USSR. Stalin’s final purge had gutted the Party, of the old timers and the up incomers only Molotov and Shepilov remained alive and holding any significant amount of power. Of the two it would be Molotov who seized control over the politically weakened USSR. Molotov sought immediate reconcilement with Lin’s the People’s Republic of China, though bowing to pressure to exact territorial concessions from the PRC. Molotov’s Minister of Foreign Affairs, Dmitri Shepilov would take part in the negotiations with the United States, Korea, and Communist China that brought the Korean War to an end; but even still Molotov’s hold on the government of the USSR was tenuous at best. He had come to power in a USSR that had been governmentally handicapped by Stalin’s mass slaughter; he presided over the USSR as communism took its first major hit. With an American victory in Korea and the USSR destabilized by the vast political vacuum, the USSR’s hold over Eastern Europe began to weaken and then it began to break.
The USSR’s tenuous hold over Eastern Europe would first see its break when Imre Nagy became Prime Minister of the People's Republic of Hungary. Nagy did not agree with the one party communist hardliners like Molotov and he saw the opportunity to push Hungary away from the USSR. He promoted a new course in socialism. Nagy remained steadfastly committed to Marxism; but his conception of Marxism was as "a science that cannot remain static", rallying against "the rigid Stalinist monopoly". He began moving Hungary toward a multiparty political system and then threatening to withdraw Hungary fromCouncil for Mutual Economic Assistance and asking for the United States and Great Britain to recognize Hungary as a neutral state.
Nearly in concert with the peaceful realignment of Hungary came the violent June Rising in East Germany. The Simple fact was that with the massive amount of troops allocated to fight in China the USSR had greatly reduced its capabilities to quickly suppress the risings in Eastern Europe and by the time a division of Soviet troops was sent to assist Volkspolizei the rebellion had grown significantly. The Communist government had lost control over most of East Berlin; weapons had fallen into the hands of the protesters, and revolution had spread to other parts on Easter Germany. From Western Germany the radio station broadcasting in the American Sector broadcasted that the government in East Germany had fallen. For the most part this was true, the government had fled with the fall of East Berlin and the Soviets were forced to divert forces sent to Germany to try and suppress the growing revolt in Poland that had started over strikes in the coal mining regions of the country.
Molotov began to threaten invasion of East Germany and Hungary which was in turn met with mixed signals from the United States. President MacArthur, for the most part, was focused on Asia rather than Europe, but he was intensely anti-communist. For the impetuous general the opportunity had come to stick a fork in the USSR. Against the advice of Dwight D. Eisenhower and many other, MacArthur agreed to the request by the revolutionary government of East Berlin to move troops into the former Soviet half of the city…
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The West Germans have been rearmed for years now. They'd probably want to contribute forces too...
HoC
HoC
Winston and the UK are sitting this one out... for now. The French, well more on the French later.
The West Germans want to contribute officially (they are already contributing unofficially by giving weapons to the Revolutionaries).
don't count Molotov out just yet, he is a crafty bastard.
MacCaulay
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This may be a silly question, but is the title of this timeline based on the line from the song "Pumped Up Kicks" by Foster the People?
It better be...I quoted the bit with that line in it and no one paid any attention. I was beginning to think I was the only one that knew it!
All the other kids
with the pumped up kicks
Better run, better run,
Outrun my gun
All the other kids
with the pumped up kicks
Better run, better run,
faster than my bullet