And so, just as the ink is drying on the Germans terms of surrender, the colonial unrest has already started. Oh dear
To that, I say freedom for the colonized peoples of the world! Let freedom ring, for the victory over fascism must be followed by giving the colonized peoples the self-determination they deserve.And so, just as the ink is drying on the Germans terms of surrender, the colonial unrest has already started. Oh dear
To the Syrians and the Alewites what they want opposes each other. With France allowing these states to grow a lot longer than otl I would expect we'd see a bunch of wars in the Mid East soon enough, with the Syrians and Alewites calling each other Fascist.To that, I say freedom for the colonized peoples of the world! Let freedom ring, for the victory over fascism must be followed by giving the colonized peoples the self-determination they deserve.
Especially with both the Cold War and Decolonization.So the European front is over, can't wait to see what changes will occur further
I respectfully disagree on the bolded. Both the tensions between the Pieds Noirs and the Arabic Muslim majority of Algeria and the fact that many in France came to think of Algeria as part of France (parts of Algeria were actually turned into departments) rather than a colony make a peaceful decolonization of Algeria pretty unlikely.I’m curious about an event you didn’t mention though. Do the Setif and Guelma massacres still occur ITTL? Guelma seems easy enough to avoid by just butterflying away the officer who ordered the peaceful protesters attacked. Setif is also seeinungly easy enough to avoid by having the protesters give up their banners peacefully or by having a more tolerant officer in charge who was less in favor of violence. I only ask because the Massacres are widely seen as a turning point in Franco-Algerian relations. A peaceful decoupling is much more likely without them. Possibles even one where the French keep Oran and possible Bône. A France that avoids the Algerian War of independence is a very different nation than one who suffers through it. To say nothing of the befits for Algeria avoiding the destruction of the conflict.
It was a part of France according to the French government and military for quite a long time (though yeah annexed against the will of the Algerian people but technically....)I respectfully disagree on the bolded. Both the tensions between the Pieds Noirs and the Arabic Muslim majority of Algeria and the fact that many in France came to think of Algeria as part of France (parts of Algeria were actually turned into departments) rather than a colony make a peaceful decolonization of Algeria pretty unlikely.
Of course, Algeria was not, in fact, part of France but that belief was widespread and entrenched enough to be a formidable obstacle to Paris accepting Algerian independence.
With the war ending, I do wonder quite a few things that would happen in the future. Firstly, is Renner still doing the same things as per otl? We haven't seen him do anything yet in the tl, and he was pretty important in the first years of the second Austrian republic, and the fact that Austria is a lot more occupied than otl should also mean that Austria would be one of the nations most changed by the tl too. Maybe we get a southern German state? That would be cool.Snip
Oh I do agree with you to a large extent. It’s not like things were all sunshine and smiles between the French and Algerians before the massacres. The French perception that Algeria for the most part was part of the metropole and not a colony is a big stumbling block in any peaceful decoupling. But I don’t think it’s impossible if the massacres were actually avoided. The massacres seemed to cement the idea that violence was the inevitable solution into the heads of both sides. It’s probably naive of me to think a completely peaceful decoupling is possible, but a negotiated withdrawal with France keeping an area or two that that were heavily populated by the Pieds Noirs seems possible. Oran was something like 49% French at this point in time, so if you held a vote it’s probably easy enough to win the extra two percent to stay with France if you avoid the massacres.I respectfully disagree on the bolded. Both the tensions between the Pieds Noirs and the Arabic Muslim majority of Algeria and the fact that many in France came to think of Algeria as part of France (parts of Algeria were actually turned into departments) rather than a colony make a peaceful decolonization of Algeria pretty unlikely.
Of course, Algeria was not, in fact, part of France but that belief was widespread and entrenched enough to be a formidable obstacle to Paris accepting Algerian independence.
With all due respect I think it is naive, yes. Even after all the violence, the reluctance to leave was so strong that the tug of war between it and people being tired of the war almost destroyed French democracy, and might very well have if it hadn't been for De Gaulle being the one guy who could find a way through it (and even then the way he came back to power was.... far from above suspicion to put it politely).Oh I do agree with you to a large extent. It’s not like things were all sunshine and smiles between the French and Algerians before the massacres. The French perception that Algeria for the most part was part of the metropole and not a colony is a big stumbling block in any peaceful decoupling. But I don’t think it’s impossible if the massacres were actually avoided. The massacres seemed to cement the idea that violence was the inevitable solution into the heads of both sides. It’s probably naive of me to think a completely peaceful decoupling is possible, but a negotiated withdrawal with France keeping an area or two that that were heavily populated by the Pieds Noirs seems possible. Oran was something like 49% French at this point in time, so if you held a vote it’s probably easy enough to win the extra two percent to stay with France if you avoid the massacres.
On that note, the death toll in Turkey as well, especially with how Turkey IOTL was neutral in WW2.Wondering how many people died in Greece from the war...
Yeah, Turkey is going to be hit far harder than OTL, methinks...On that note, the death toll in Turkey as well, especially with how Turkey IOTL was neutral in WW2.
Both ITTL and OTL the Soviets built an army of freed Polish prisoners (well, ''freed'' as anyone they wanted in and who didn't want to join probably had some chats with the NKVD) as a counterweight to the Polish Armed Forces in exile and it was part of the assault on Berlin.The War is over, the Muddle East is already on fire, and I think most foreign SS formations were likely able to surrender to the WAllies.
I really hope this TL goes into the Cold War cause it’s gonna be fascinating.
Also when did the Poles get to Berlin?