Of lost monkeys and broken vehicles

Part 87
Washington DC, November 18th 1941

Lend lease for Fighting France was officially approved, unofficially it was already being provided. President Roosevelt still was deeply and inexcusably suspicious of Charles De Gaulle but could hardly ignore Free France when it had over 130,000 men in the frontline and a sizeable fleet as well, a fleet that had been in the limelight for its role in the sinking of Bismarck...

Algiers, November 20th 1941

General Maxime Weygand was removed from his position as delegate general of French North Africa at German insistence, it was feared that Weygand might switch side should the Axis forces in Libya be defeated. The fear was likely overblown on the German part. It was true that Weygand was a proponent of attentisme, militarily preparing French North Africa to the extend he could, turning a blind eye to American activities there and coming out against the Paris protocols back in May. But at the same time he was enthusiastically applying or even exceeding Vichy anti-Jewish decrees, sending perceived opponents of the regime to concentration camps in the Sahara and agreeing to the sale of French heavy artillery and fuel to the Germans in Libya. In the end as long as Petain remained loyal to Germany, so would Weygand. General Alphonse Juin would replace him in command of the army in North Africa but not his political role.

Scotland, November 21st 1941


The No.318 and 319 Polish squadrons were activated, bringing the total number of Polish squadrons active with the RAF to 15. Two of these No. 303 and No.305 were operating alongside the British No. 30 and No. 80 squadrons in Greece, with the rest operating out of the British isles.

Libya, November 23rd 1941

The British had launched Operation Cavalier in hopes of destroying the Axis position in Libya. Massive effort had been made to gather the force together and provide sufficient supplies including the extension by New Zealand railway troops of the old Benghazi railroad, all the way to the front to the west and to Tobruk in west the New Zealanders managing to lay more than 3km of rail per day. But the previous few days had proven to say the least frustrating, despite advancing west. First the two armoured brigades supposed to spearhead the attack had been roughly handled by the Ariete and 15th Panzer divisions respectively. Then the British had lost hundreds of tanks, 200 alone in their attacks against the Ariete, Trieste and Savona divisions. And now Rommel counterattacked with both his panzer divisions and the XX Italian mobile corps with the Ariete and Trieste divisions hoping to knock out the attacking British and end the offensive for good.

Smyrna siege lines, November 25th 1941


A dozen 220mm guns and 8 mortars of the same calibre start pounding the Greek lines. The Germans could not for the time being provide much German made artillery. But captured French material was a different matter, as the Germans had captured thousands of guns the previous year. Already 30 155mm GPF heavy guns had been delivered and about 250 howitzers of all types had been promised for early 1942. [1] It was not the only aid, 2 more German divisions had just arrived in the Balkans. But where, were the reinforcements going? By December most roads in Eastern and Southern Turkey would be turning to mud, it was estimated that the time needed to move an infantry division through the country would go up from 1 week to 1 month...

Hittokapu Bay, Kurils, November 26th 1941

Six Japanese aircraft carriers and their escorts sailed east. War was not certain yet but was increasingly likely as Japan was completely unwilling to back down from her invasion of China or for that matter her occupation of Vietnam and the United States show no reason to bow down to Japanese aggression.

Libya, November 27th 1941


Over the past 4 days, the British had managed to beat back Rommel's counterattack and at Wavell's insistence had resumed the offensive. But the mess had cost general Cunningham, the commander of the British 8th army his position as Wavell after effectively taking personal command of the army during the counterattack and dismissing proposals to stop the offensive and retreat had rushed in general Richard O'Connor from Syria to take over the 8th Army. The British start advancing again...

Moscow, December 1st 1941


Over the previous 5 days the Soviets had halted Guderian's 2nd Panzer Army attacking north-east from Tula. Now it was the turn of the German forces in the Minsk-Moscow line to try their luck. In the meantime the temperature had fallen below minus 30 degrees Celsius. Fighting would range for 4 more days with German advance elements closing to within less than 20 km from Moscow. And then on December 5th 1.1 million Soviet troops would counterattack in the midst of snow-blizzards.

Singapore, December 2nd 1941


HMS Prince of Wales, HMS Hood and HMS Ark Royal entered to harbour. The Japanese would certainly take notice and hopefully restrain themselves before the empire's military might.

KEA factory, Athens, December 4th 1941

The last PZL.37 left the factory grounds. While pilots loved the aircraft the numbers it could be produced were insufficient and the allied air forces in the Near East were still hard pressed, the HAF was down to 171 aircraft from 356 back in February. The new Lynx fighter-bomber, loosely based upon the PZL.54 Rys planned before the fall of Poland, would be replacing it in the production lines.

Near Hawaii, December 7th 1941


Over 350 aircraft begun taking off from the decks of Japanese carriers...

[1] Where's this artillery coming from? Why there are some very disappointed Bulgarian artillery officers...
 
Hm, the Bulgarians are getting the least investment from Germany, in terms of Axis minors. To a degree it can be expected, as they've shown the worst performance, and along with Hungary are the least willing to keep pushing forward.

Perhaps this will come back to bite the axis, as if things start going south in the balkans and Middle East, then they might start pressing on the Bulgarians to provide more assistance, and if the British can offer something better, like give up small parts in the south for major gains against Romania for example, then they might be tempted to drop out early, leaving turkey isolated, and Greece able to break the deadlock.

Bad news on the Smyrna front, which is the most delicate. If it's overrun it will not just be a humanitarian and military catastrophe, it will also be terrible demographically. Every one of the 2 million greek speakers in Anatolia is desperately needed to make sure to keep the land from being overwhelmed, and if the turks can kill hundreds of thousands of them unabated for a few months or years, that would be demographically significant.

Finally, I'm not entirely understanding the plane decision. They stopped building the polish plane to instead do Lynxes, because it would be easier. I can see that, as Poland is not in any shape to provide more equipment, while the UK can help expand Lynx production lines, but how does the Lynx compare to the prior plane?

(Also, it feels like the addition of turkey to the axis is a straight detriment. All these troops being diverted to the Middle East, both soviet and German, appears to be hurting the germans more, and I don't see them actually accomplishing anything. Are they getting their hands on oil at least, because at the moment it feels like the germans are throwing away men in an utterly unimportant front.)
 
Hm, the Bulgarians are getting the least investment from Germany, in terms of Axis minors. To a degree it can be expected, as they've shown the worst performance, and along with Hungary are the least willing to keep pushing forward.

Perhaps this will come back to bite the axis, as if things start going south in the balkans and Middle East, then they might start pressing on the Bulgarians to provide more assistance, and if the British can offer something better, like give up small parts in the south for major gains against Romania for example, then they might be tempted to drop out early, leaving turkey isolated, and Greece able to break the deadlock.

Bad news on the Smyrna front, which is the most delicate. If it's overrun it will not just be a humanitarian and military catastrophe, it will also be terrible demographically. Every one of the 2 million greek speakers in Anatolia is desperately needed to make sure to keep the land from being overwhelmed, and if the turks can kill hundreds of thousands of them unabated for a few months or years, that would be demographically significant.

Finally, I'm not entirely understanding the plane decision. They stopped building the polish plane to instead do Lynxes, because it would be easier. I can see that, as Poland is not in any shape to provide more equipment, while the UK can help expand Lynx production lines, but how does the Lynx compare to the prior plane?

(Also, it feels like the addition of turkey to the axis is a straight detriment. All these troops being diverted to the Middle East, both soviet and German, appears to be hurting the germans more, and I don't see them actually accomplishing anything. Are they getting their hands on oil at least, because at the moment it feels like the germans are throwing away men in an utterly unimportant front.)
The PZL.54 was a devopment of the PZL.37, so the basic designs were similar. The biggest difference was the engines, going from radials to V12's.

As France didnt fall ITTL, this allows the continued development of the Hispano-Suiza 12Z engines.
 
Hm, the Bulgarians are getting the least investment from Germany, in terms of Axis minors. To a degree it can be expected, as they've shown the worst performance, and along with Hungary are the least willing to keep pushing forward.

Perhaps this will come back to bite the axis, as if things start going south in the balkans and Middle East, then they might start pressing on the Bulgarians to provide more assistance, and if the British can offer something better, like give up small parts in the south for major gains against Romania for example, then they might be tempted to drop out early, leaving turkey isolated, and Greece able to break the deadlock.

Bad news on the Smyrna front, which is the most delicate. If it's overrun it will not just be a humanitarian and military catastrophe, it will also be terrible demographically. Every one of the 2 million greek speakers in Anatolia is desperately needed to make sure to keep the land from being overwhelmed, and if the turks can kill hundreds of thousands of them unabated for a few months or years, that would be demographically significant.

Finally, I'm not entirely understanding the plane decision. They stopped building the polish plane to instead do Lynxes, because it would be easier. I can see that, as Poland is not in any shape to provide more equipment, while the UK can help expand Lynx production lines, but how does the Lynx compare to the prior plane?

(Also, it feels like the addition of turkey to the axis is a straight detriment. All these troops being diverted to the Middle East, both soviet and German, appears to be hurting the germans more, and I don't see them actually accomplishing anything. Are they getting their hands on oil at least, because at the moment it feels like the germans are throwing away men in an utterly unimportant front.)
The Germans are getting their hands on chromite and other Turkish resources but if I'm remembering correctly the WAllies have counterattacked in Syria and Iraq, pushing the Turks and Germans out of the Iraqi oil fields. The Germans are threatening the Kirkuk-Haifa pipeline in Syria but I don't think they have control of it. The biggest divergence might be the two battlecruisers and an aircraft carrier in Singapore. If they survive, they could have some big butterflies.
 
Welp let's see if Smyrna holds but it seems like Turkey's getting its own version of the Rasputitsa and considering the Greeks resupply through sea they should have much better logistics than the Turks.

Also Greece having one of the only industrial regions that's not completely fucked by the war would set it miles ahead of any competitor in the Med. Greece will have great prospects in the future considering the Germans can't significantly go beyond Thermopylae.
 
Washington DC, November 18th 1941

Lend lease for Fighting France was officially approved, unofficially it was already being provided. President Roosevelt still was deeply and inexcusably suspicious of Charles De Gaulle but could hardly ignore Free France when it had over 130,000 men in the frontline and a sizeable fleet as well, a fleet that had been in the limelight for its role in the sinking of Bismarck...
You know, reading about why Roosevelt distrusted de Gaul iotl does make sense given the perspective he had, thinking de Gaul would use the war to prop himself up as a dictator, ironically he was completely right but also completely wrong on that count. Considering Free-France was basically a military in exile, and an even stronger one here, combined with a dislike of European empire, I don't think that it's inexcusable to be suspicious of the man's motivations from where Roosevelt was sitting...
Moscow, December 1st 1941

Over the previous 5 days the Soviets had halted Guderian's 2nd Panzer Army attacking north-east from Tula. Now it was the turn of the German forces in the Minsk-Moscow line to try their luck. In the meantime the temperature had fallen below minus 30 degrees Celsius. Fighting would range for 4 more days with German advance elements closing to within less than 20 km from Moscow. And then on December 5th 1.1 million Soviet troops would counterattack in the midst of snow-blizzards.
Huh, the Germans actually got 4km closer to Moscow here, I wonder what that might imply for the Battle of Moscow proper and the shift in the war it represented. Don't see German supply any better here though. We've reached what in otl was the high water mark of the German advance in the North so now I'm curious how it compares if they've gotten a bit further here? Could imply interesting things for Stalingrad too...
Near Hawaii, December 7th 1941

Over 350 aircraft begun taking off from the decks of Japanese carriers...
...and the sleeping giant jolts awake. I'm curious how US participation in the war differs here with a remaining front in Europe and a much busier middle-east. I'm not sure how much the Pacific could be changed but the RN in Singapore could have some butterflies.
[1] Where's this artillery coming from? Why there are some very disappointed Bulgarian artillery officers...
I wonder how much that might affect a future Greek counter-attack?
 
I mean it would excusable from Roosevelt if the guy didn't try to put another military man (with ties to an actual german puppet) each time he had an opportunity to it to led the Free French.
 
You know, reading about why Roosevelt distrusted de Gaul iotl does make sense given the perspective he had, thinking de Gaul would use the war to prop himself up as a dictator, ironically he was completely right but also completely wrong on that count. Considering Free-France was basically a military in exile, and an even stronger one here, combined with a dislike of European empire, I don't think that it's inexcusable to be suspicious of the man's motivations from where Roosevelt was sitting...
Speaking of European Empire, I wonder what impact a shorter and more successful (for Western Europe) WW2 would have on decolonization.

Since the germans got closer to Moscow, it's possible that the Soviet Union will emerge weaker from the war than OTL, while Britain seems to generally be doing better, especially if they defeat the Japanese at Singapore. Could this mean that the UK can keep up, to a greater degree with the other 2 superpowers? Can Europe get bullied less hard?
 
Since the germans got closer to Moscow, it's possible that the Soviet Union will emerge weaker from the war than OTL, while Britain seems to generally be doing better, especially if they defeat the Japanese at Singapore. Could this mean that the UK can keep up, to a greater degree with the other 2 superpowers? Can Europe get bullied less hard?
I think the main factors of decolonisation Is due to America not liking it and how big the colonised populations are relative to size of the colonising country. There's no way Britain keeps most of their colonies even if they still have good relations with them. I think France may keep Algeria at most and the Dutch and Portuguese can't control their colonies.
Also would British Somalia not combine with Italian Somalia and would Malaysia be more divided/the islands unite into a Majapahit empire thing?

PS: were the Nazis actually better than otl against the Soviets?
 
I think the main factors of decolonisation Is due to America not liking it and how big the colonised populations are relative to size of the colonising country. There's no way Britain keeps most of their colonies even if they still have good relations with them. I think France may keep Algeria at most and the Dutch and Portuguese can't control their colonies.
Also would British Somalia not combine with Italian Somalia and would Malaysia be more divided/the islands unite into a Majapahit empire thing?

PS: were the Nazis actually better than otl against the Soviets?
French West Africa was fairly empty, compared to its territorial extent.
France is guaranteed to lose Morocco, Tunisia and Indochina in the two decades that followed WWII. I think middle term, keeping the Sahel isn't something they could afford.
But they should be able to keep some of their more coastal colonies and islands.
Djibouti is from what I understand not stable because the Somali Issas were pro-independence, but Gabon would be feasible, and Senegal and Ivoria are up for debate. The Comorros are also an area where France could keep perhaps a bit more.
Otherwise, well, it's Algeria which is the real prize for France to try and keep... and which also happens to be the one they're the most invested in keeping.
 
I wonder, if, and it is still an if, the British/French empires are better off comparatively, we might see more of a divide within the 'western powers' post-war. The Suez comes to mind for example...

The US might be a bit more reluctant to pay for European reconstruction if the British/French are keeping their crumbling empires in a death-grip.
 
Is this leading to an earlier end to the war? The factors that made Sledgehammer and Roundup unfeasible still seem to be there and while better Allied performance in side theaters is nice, I don't know that it actually changes the timeline significantly for Berlin to fall.
 
I wonder, if, and it is still an if, the British/French empires are better off comparatively, we might see more of a divide within the 'western powers' post-war. The Suez comes to mind for example...

The US might be a bit more reluctant to pay for European reconstruction if the British/French are keeping their crumbling empires in a death-grip.
I don't think France can keep anything other than Algeria but idk if the Suez crisis will be in favour of the Israelis.
 
I do wanna ask will we see Atatürk sign the treaty that ends WWII as it would be cathartic as heck to see him sign the treaty that would doom Turkey. He died in 1938 otl but ittl he should still be alive right? There's no doubt that ittl everyone will see him as a terrible person for what he has done and his failures.
 
I do wanna ask will we see Atatürk sign the treaty that ends WWII as it would be cathartic as heck to see him sign the treaty that would doom Turkey. He died in 1938 otl but ittl he should still be alive right? There's no doubt that ittl everyone will see him as a terrible person for what he has done and his failures.
He died already ittl aswell
It would be Recep Peker who would sign the surrender.
 
How many Asia Minor Greeks have been evacuated from the frontlines? I guess they could be used to work on factories on safer places in Greece or even build more factories in Crete and the Cyclades.
Operation Cavalier has begun and it is a slog it seems. Let's see if the fox will have a good name ITTL or the British will stop him before he gets rolling. The odds are against him due to less supplies from allied harassment and better British build up. On one hand it is always fun to see an underdog win and the whole Libya front ITTL was full of British errors and Rommel outmaneuvering them, but he is a member of the Nazi regime so GO BRITAIN!
4km don't make a big difference in the vast Soviet state so why would it matter? The fact that the Germans send 2 divisions in the Balkans is a statement that Moscow won't fall and it is just 4km more that the Germans would have to retreat.
 
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