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Modern name for Ottoman Empire?
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I don't know about this. I the history books that I read the Ottoman Turks were allways referred as... well.. Ottoman Turks. So I suppose that if it survived util today their realm would be called Ottoman Turkey (in semiofficial language) or just Turkey, in short version. - Because even without Ataturk, the turks would still be the dominant ethnicity.
They were called Ottoman Turks (just as they're now Turkish Turks) because Turks is a Panethnicity comrpised many different but related groups living throughout Central Eurasia.
They really would'nt, even today, with Turkey only controlling Anatolia and after the massive population transfers of the 1920's, only 77.46% of Turkey's population are Turks.
Now, the exact amounts would vary depending on the when exactly, and unfortunately their's not alof of easily accessable figured, but during the time of the OE itself Turks would have been the largest Plurality, but nowhere near large enough to be the dominant group.
I didn't suggest they would be doing it the "fair" way. The Ottoman empire was a turkish country because the turks were the elite and controlled the state, therefore we can say that it was their country.
To give you another example, Hungary was allways Hungary, even when it was an oversized multiethnic country, because it was the hungarians wo were running the show, and nobody ever suggested that it should be called otherwise. The same situation would apply to Turkey.
Escept the Turks were'nt the sole elite, they were the ones who ran the beurocracy in Istanbul and such more because they were the majority their.
If you go back their are alot of Albanians who had important positions in the Empire, hell the first father of Modern Egypt (IE after the end of direct Ottoman Rule), Muhammad Ali, was Albanian.
And Hungary is'nt really comparable since it (minus autonomous Croatia) was majority Hungarian while the Ottoman Empire on the other hand had'nt been majority Turk for centuries (it only ever was near the beginning).
As a matter of interest have there been any (even very fringe) clerics espousing such views in OTL?
Im not sure if their's ever been any who've said that exactly, but their are such things as Islamic Socialism and the less used Islamic Marxism, actually the latter was actually pretty popular in the 60's and 70's in the Middle-East.
Yeah, a few mostly in the 1970's, and mostly Shi'a. I doubt this sort of movement would ever arise in an alt-Ottoman Empire however, because they were such sticklers for (liberal) theological orthodoxy.
So-what's the Turkish equivalent of 'British', rather than Turkish/Kurdish etc?
Turkish is the correct term to refer to any citizen of Turkey, regardless of ethnic group, however Turk refers specificaly to people primarily decended from the Turkic peoples.
The Ottomans considered 'Turk' a derogatory term before WWI. They only called it Turkey because they couldn't think of another name. But assuming 'Ottomanism' is a success, you could have the Ottoman Republic.
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That makes no sense, it's the name of the dynasty. It'd be like calling a republican Austria-Hungary "The Hapsburg Republic".
But the Turks considered themselves 'sons of Osman' as a people. So he was seen as a father figure for the nation. So it wasn't just a dynasty. And if Ottomanism worked, it's not exactly ASB.
Actually, if the policy of Ottomanism instituted in the 1850's-70's had been more successful, an national group that referred to their nation itself as "Ottoman" rather then just their state could have very well emerged.
Both of those terms only refer to a single region of the Empire though.
The Levant would quite frankly not be acceptable since the region only housed a small part of the population, it'd be like caling 20th century American New England.
While Mashriq would house a larger portion, and the large majority of the Arab population, it again does not include the more populous and important Anatolia and European portions.
Assuming that the Ottoman Empire survived as an "empire" under an Ottoman dynasty why wouldn't the name stay the same, even if its borders were restricted to modern Turkey. IN other scenarios (ethnic turkish national republic, ruling other peoples) Turkey, Turkish Empire, Turkish Republic, makes sense).
How about a geographic name such as Anatolia, Anatolian Federation, etc.?
How about a geographic name such as Anatolia, Anatolian Federation, etc.?