Map Thread XXII

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Since it's St Patrick's Day, I decided to doll up some OTL-ish maps of Ireland I made last year as resources for an Ancient Ireland to Virgin Earth ISOT (complete with Agricola and the Ninth Legion) I was doing and compile them into a single thing. These are meant to be OTL, more or less, but they are not historical resources of absolute truth. Very generous amounts of artistic license have gone into these.

Notes:
XK-BAM basemap is used.
I say "pseudo-tribes" here because there is not a 1 to 1 correspondence between all the tribes listed by Ptolemy and the túatha or cóiceda or other historical groups in Irish literature.
The positions of Ptolemy's towns here are mostly taken from the paper Ptolemy's map of Ireland: a modern decoding. While there is debate about all of their locations, here I have given all of them only one location apart from Hibernis, generally taken to be Teamhair Erann/Teamhair Luachra, which most place in Kerry but has also been placed in Limerick near the Shannon by some sources.
Names of the cóiceda are given in Old Irish, in English (their modern counterparts) and in Latin.
 
Firstly, I completely forgot about St. Patrick's Day, so this was done purely coincidentally.
Secondly, I originally had intended a more grandiose project with this but realized that the basemap wasn't large enough to do what I wanted so I ended-up just going with 25 cities.

The below is a map of the 25 Largest Cities in Ireland.
The green cities are those that are part of the Ríocht na hÅrínn (Kingdom of Ireland) while the orange cities are those that are part of the Míklrýkr ávn ðæ Nórðrægr (Empire of the North Realm).

While a minority of cities only have a native language name, many have names in both Gåilge and Nórtúɲu due to the island's history, with some using both names in an official capacity.

The cities listed represent 31% of the islands population within their legal city limits (cities are somewhat larger in terms of legal boundaries), while they represent 64% of the population if you count their metropolitan areas.

While not shown as unique (ATL Irish and Nordic cultures don't place importance on a city being a capital), the capital city of the K. of Årínn is Gaillimh (Galway) while the capital cities of Nórðrægr Årín are Belæþá and Díflæn.



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Genuinely extremely impressive. So much information its pretty hard to actually make everything out. Do you have a larger version?
Many thanks! I don't have a larger version, unfortunately.
This is really cool! Some questions
  • What is the relationship between the different Christian rites? Are they separate churches with their own particular beliefs, or is it more similar to the relationship between the different Orthodox churches of OTL?
Thanks!

It's more or less the same as the relationship between the Eastern Christian communions. That is, the difference between OTL Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy and the Assyrian Church. So there would be some theological differences regarding the nature of Christ.
What does Faustianism look like? I'm assuming it's a sort of reformed Germanic paganism, but what are some of the particularities of the religion, and why is it named after Faust?
Yes it's a reformed Germanic paganism. Its relationship with the old paganisms of Northern Europe is analogous to that of Hinduism with the old Vedic religion.

Faust is the name of one of the numerous "reformers" of the faith and his name was simply adopted by other peoples to describe the faith. Germanic pagans would not call their own religion that way. Think of how people call Manichaeism after the prophet Mani even though Manichaeans would call their faith the Teaching of Light.

The name was also a reference to Spengler who called the spirit of the Western culture "Faustian". This would also be a good descriptor of the culture of the ATL Northern European civilization here.
How similar/different is Rahmanism from Islam?
Pretty much the only similarities between the two are that they both are Abrahamic and Mecca is a holy city.

Rahmanism by contrast does not have a single founder. It developed out of the mixture of both the Judaism adopted by the Himyarite kings and the old Arab paganism. So, the religion has significant Jewish influences but also preserves many old pagan Arab traditions.
 
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The PoD is that in A.D. 363, Julian the Apostate manages to return victorious from his Persian campaign, leaving Sassanid Persia in a civil war. He has an eventful 30 year reign (barbarians and rebellions and more) that is notably remembered for laying the foundations for a Neoplatonic Hellenism which will become the state cult and intellectual worldview of Rome [1] and that of numerous post-roman polities even after the Empire's fall by A.D. 500. Yes, the Empire doesn't somehow last forever thanks to the success of one emperor's military campaign. The divine Fortuna decreed that Rome shall rise, and She decreed that Rome would fall.

Though Rome would fall, however, this world would not see the permanent end of Rome. Rather, ATL Rome proceeds more like OTL China - that of a Civilization that forms a Universal Empire, prospers, then stagnates, declines and falls, then later reforming into another Universal Empire. See the once mighty Han Dynasty of China, which after a Golden Age, declined and then fell into a centuries-long period of division before the Chinese reunify their Universal Empire under the Sui and Tang. This state of affairs marks much of this world's history. Not just Rome and China, but also Iran, Bharat and other High Cultures [2] will form a Universal Empire which develops then declines and falls and then later reunifies. Such is the cyclical nature of life and history.

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Welcome to a Multipolar World.

It is the early 21st C. The world is divided into numerous civilizations that each develop and interact with each other. These would be the different poles of this multipolar order. By the early 21st C, there are about 20 different poles, in varying degrees of size and development. From tiny Papua to large China and everything in between. In fact, this is quite a diverse world. The people in each of these poles are proud of their cultures, histories and traditions. This is thanks to the lack of a global imperialism that would have framed, for a time at least, the entire world's worldview around the culture of a single pole. This world, by contrast, has native forms of governance and indigenous traditions and values survive and prosper. Global technological changes like industrialism no doubt impacts each of these cultures, but the people of this world adapt to these changes based on their own cultures and values. These cultures are not stagnant, but are vibrant and develop on their own terms. Anything not moving is dead as they say, and the world's cultures are very much alive.

This world sees the thriving of numerous native polities in the New World. The Norse started the contacts between Old and New Worlds and the entire world has never been the same since. These contacts first started in the Viking Age (as in OTL) but contrary to OTL, these contacts never stopped and Norse settlements in Vinland never ended. It is important to understand that these settlements were initially really small and would remain so for quite some time. These settlements, of course, served as excellent points of contact between the peoples of the New World to encounter those of the Old. Disease spread, which was deadly, no doubt, but over time, the native populations rebounded as the diseases were here to stay. Also, the Norse methods of ironworking spread to the natives. The warlike Mexica and Tarascans used these metal tools to great effect in their struggles against each other. Finally, Norse shipbuilding was enthusiastically adopted by the Taíno who formed a loose kingdom-confederacy in the Caribbean whose founder was a warrior-priest-king who worships a syncretic Sun God based on the Norse Sol and the Mayan Kukulcan.

A rising power in this world is the Grand Khaganate, also known as Russia. It's a Nestorian [3] Christian East Slavic-Turko-Mongol polity that blends the best of each of these influences. Naturally, the Russians were an expansionist realm who strove to unite the known world under the Great Blue Sky. Attempts by various dynasties to do so have not met great success, though, but the initial nomadic impulses of the Turko-Mongols were in time replaced with that of the more sedentary agricultural society of the East Slavs. As centuries pass, and after a slow start to industrialism which resulted in socialist [4] reform movements, the Grand Khaganate re-structured as dynasties collapsed and were replaced. Eventually, the Khaganate began to assert its dominance as master of the Heartland of the World Island. It is largely thanks to Russian efforts that much of Eurasia formed an Inter-Civilizational Forum called BRICS. BRICS, which consists of Bharat, Russia, Iran, China and Siam was founded to promote development, stability and safe passage of trade across Eastern Eurasia.

There is also an established power that needs mentioning. This is Bharat. The Bharatis after a prolonged period of warring states were united in a Universal Empire during the 11th C. This Bharati Empire was a large empire encompassing all of South Asia and had vassals across the Indian Ocean. Bharati influence could be seen all throughout the Silk Road and it was in Bharat where the first Industrial Revolution began. This was the closest this world had to a single pole dominating the world, but even in this case, the Bharatis were either unwilling or unable to exert their influence into the New World or in West Africa or Europe. Perhaps it was due to how the Bharatis envisioned their empire - that of a mandala which has a central core under central control, but this mandala radiates outward in ever-decreasing layers of influence. In this worldview, those distant regions were simply left alone. In any case, however, even the Bharati empire collapsed (c. A.D. 1500). Many vassalized regions would later be centres of independent Civilizations as the centuries pass. Of course, Bharat would later be re-created under a new dynasty (c. A.D. 1800).

Much of the world's technology compared to OTL really cannot be compared with OTL. It is highly divergent with some areas more or less untouched by industrialism but some areas could be said to be more advanced than OTL. Examples include public transportation networks [5] and agricultural methods. This would generally be in the developed empires of the world.

As a response to the new challenges brought by industrialisms, some of the larger polities began to engage in greater dialogue with each other which led to the creation of Inter-Civilizational Forums (ICFs) to better promote cooperation and development and to decrease inter-civilizational violence. BRICS is one, as is the Nipponese-led initiative called the Eastern Compact with the developed New World powers of Mexico, Tawantinsuyu and the Taíno.

There is an ICF where each of the world's poles are represented. It is called the "Universal Assembly" but is known by its Greek name because it's based in Alexandria [6]. The Universal Assembly was founded quite recently as the world got more integrated thanks to technological developments spreading all over the world. It is a more informal forum where different poles can discuss the world's most important issues and come up with ways to address them. What some may call "intercivilizational law" was decided upon here, though it is more a diplomatic code than a worldwide constitution.

It's not a perfect world though. War still exists among intra-civilizational polities [7] as these fight for hegemony where large Universal Empires have not yet formed. But it's a world, nonetheless, complete with both challenges and triumphs.

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[1] Christianity will not die out in the Roman Empire. Rather, it would play a role similarly to Buddhism in OTL China. Neoplatonic Hellenism in turn functioning more or less as an analogue to Chinese folk religion and Confucianism.
[2] Used in the Spenglerian sense of Kultur. On a related note, the term "Universal Empire" could also be replaced with "civilization-state" and the meaning would be the same.
[3] Not technically "Nestorian" as Nestorius would never have been born. Assyrian rite Christianity would be more accurate, though it is more or less the same theologically to OTL Eastern Orthodoxy.
[4] Socialism in this world should not be confused with OTL Communism. It is more a traditional peasant-based reform movement than anything. These movements could be quite radical, though.
[5] Personal cars are more or less nonexistent due to either massive government regulation or because industrialism hasn't really spread to some areas. In more developed regions, most people get around in public transportation, use bicycles or walk. In less developed regions, animal transport is common.
[6] Alexander would be proud, knowing that the entire world gathers in the great city named after him.
[7] Meaning polities within a Civilization. For example, within Nusantara, various Malay and Sumatran kingdoms regularly fight wars with each other.
As phenomenal as this is (really really good work), I can't help but feel that what it does most is prove how this style can get to a point of detail where you really actually need to use a bigger map format to be legible.
 
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Happy anniversary to the Paris Commune, and here's a cross-post from the MOTF contest. Questions, comments, anything is welcome!

The Paris Communes Lives On... in the Pacific?
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What a curious coincidence that I should post this on the anniversary of the founding of the Paris Commune! Anyway, I don't want to miss out on the contest, so I'll have to keep myself short here.

The overall idea for this came from reading about the life of the Communards in exile in New Caledonia. Apparently, Louise Michel got along quite well with the natives and some Communards supported a native uprising in 1878. So, naturally, let's just have a Kanak-Communard alliance in 1878 throw out the French, and proceed to build a socialist state in the island. Is it plausible? Not really, but it is a fun enough idea. One that I wish I had had more time to expand on, but alas, here we are.

What to say... I really hoped for a more complex map than this, but I am at least happy the demographics got in. I like the separation of French descendants into different "ethnic" groups based on their family's condition at arrival - either political prisoners, common law prisoners or honest colonists. It implies that those differences matter so long after independence. I like to imagine the Communards taking some monopoly in political power, giving the country a strangely hypocritical regime, based on popular power, but held in the hands of a small minority of political radicals. Really wish I had found a more interesting and evident way of expressing that into the map, though.

I also would have like to have done more with the minorities, especially the Arabs. The Arabs of the Pacific seem like such an interesting group to me. I'll have to explore further what to do with them, in some other project? French Australia colonized by Algerian prisoners? Well, that's an idea for another time.

The flag, although not very original, it was somewhat rushed, ended up looking good.

Now - as to what I wanted to include, did some work towards it, but couldn't find the time - the politics of the country. I wanted the Council of the Communes to be divided between two main parties, perhaps with smaller parties, perhaps with very prominent factions within. Anyway, the two parties would be, on the one hand, a Federalist-Libertarian group, essentially based on anarchist principles and wanting to keep the island more decentralized, while the other would the Democratic Socialists "The Mountain", based on Jacobin and more communist principles, wanting further centralization. I wanted to show how delegates from each commune were split and all that but, again, time and, honestly, even that seems somewhat boring to show.

In essence, while I think this is a very interesting scenario, this map is not as complete or as interesting as I would have like. But it is a fun scenario, and it is a decent map - I actually used Manet's painting about Communards fleeing New Caledonia as the ocean background. I think that looks cool, no? Yeah, this map is somewhat odd in what it has and what it lacks, I suppose. But I'll let you folks be the judges of that.​
 
Okay, I've finally managed to do it, even if it was a total pain in the ass, but I hope it can be read. This is an attempted political map of the Han dynasty by about 190 AD/CE for a TL I want to go get back into. All of it's commanderies and dependent states are marked and label with their Chinese characters too. If it looks like dog vomit, I had to work off of a 140 AD/CE population map of the Han Dynasty, and I'm missing four off map commanderies. Also, I hope the names are legible.

The darkish brown is the Han Central government to it's immediate west is Dong Zhou's forces in Anding and Hanyang, and past them are Han Sui in Jincheng and Ma Teng in Longxi. To the Immediate east Wang Kuang is in Henei, Yuan Shao is in Wei, Liu Chong's Principality of Chen is still extant, and Tao Qian in Green rules most of Xu Province. The Yellow is meant the remnants of Yellow Turban rebels of 184 AD/CE While in the north, the Black is meant to be the Black Mountain Bandits, next to them in Taiyuan is Ding Yuan, who isn't dead Liu Yu, controls Western You Provinces with Gongsun Zan in Youbeiping and Gongsun Du in the far Northeast. While in the South, Liu Biao only has some authority in Nan and Jiangxia, the same with Liu Yan (Purple) Guanghan. At the very south is Shi Xie in Jiaozhi and Hepu, and in the Southwest are the various of the tribes of the south, if I had more confidence I would other peoples in the area. I both hate and love this project.

Note: Grey is contested or unknown.

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Map of the Countries of North America, Present Day
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Empire of North America
Federal, Parliamentary, Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Union City
Imperial Family: Oldenburg

2nd Mexican Empire
Federal, Parliamentary, Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Ciudad de Mexico
Imperial Family: Montezuma

Kingdom of Canada
Parliamentary, Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Montreal
Royal Family: Savoy

Federal Republic of Central America
Federal, Presidential Republic
Capital: Guatemala City

Republic of Saint Domingue
Presidential Republic
Capital: Port au Prince

Republic of Guadeloupe
Presidential Republic
Capital: Basse Terre

Republic of Martinique
Parliamentary Republic
Capital: Fort de France

Republic of Panama
Presidential Republic
Capital: Panama City
 
Map of the Countries of North America, Present Day
Empire of North America
Federal, Parliamentary, Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Union City
Imperial Family: Oldenburg

2nd Mexican Empire
Federal, Parliamentary, Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Ciudad de Mexico
Imperial Family: Montezuma

Kingdom of Canada
Parliamentary, Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Montreal
Royal Family: Savoy

Federal Republic of Central America
Federal, Presidential Republic
Capital: Guatemala City

Republic of Saint Domingue
Presidential Republic
Capital: Port au Prince

Republic of Guadeloupe
Presidential Republic
Capital: Basse Terre

Republic of Martinique
Parliamentary Republic
Capital: Fort de France

Republic of Panama
Presidential Republic
Capital: Panama City

That New York sure is the Empire State (or Province?)...

I do wonder why New Brunswick exists, since it was firmly a product of the American Revolutionary War and the desire to create a distinct province in the sparsely populated "mainland" of Nova Scotia to accomodate the loyalists who fled north better.

Also why are Jamaica and the British Lesser Antilles and the Turks and Caicos a different shade of blue compared to North America? Are they still British? And if so, why did British Honduras join North America?

And when did Canada invite the House of Savoy to rule?
 
That New York sure is the Empire State (or Province?)...

I do wonder why New Brunswick exists, since it was firmly a product of the American Revolutionary War and the desire to create a distinct province in the sparsely populated "mainland" of Nova Scotia to accomodate the loyalists who fled north better.

Also why are Jamaica and the British Lesser Antilles and the Turks and Caicos a different shade of blue compared to North America? Are they still British? And if so, why did British Honduras join North America?

And when did Canada invite the House of Savoy to rule?
1. I didn't really know that, I figured it would still split because of the geographic divide, but I could be swayed.

2. They were seized from the British Empire over the course of the 3rd Great War in the 1930s, and made protectorates because they didn't want to incorporate these islands directly. they chose to integrate the Bahamas because they were just so integrated with the mainland, and British Honduras to keep the Mexicans from getting any funny ideas.

3. Canada invited the Savoys in the 1940s, as North America severed royal ties with the British Empire and declared itself to be an empire with its own Imperial family. The Canadiens wanted a Bourbon but Union City vetoed that, so they went with a Savoy.
 
2. They were seized from the British Empire over the course of the 3rd Great War in the 1930s, and made protectorates because they didn't want to incorporate these islands directly. they chose to integrate the Bahamas because they were just so integrated with the mainland, and British Honduras to keep the Mexicans from getting any funny ideas.

3. Canada invited the Savoys in the 1940s, as North America severed royal ties with the British Empire and declared itself to be an empire with its own Imperial family. The Canadiens wanted a Bourbon but Union City vetoed that, so they went with a Savoy.

Wait, Americans fought the British in the 30s but only severed their royal ties with them in the 40s? How did that happen?
 
Wait, Americans fought the British in the 30s but only severed their royal ties with them in the 40s? How did that happen?
Less fought, more had a schism. North America intervened in European Affairs to protect Britain from the many autocratic regimes that were rising on that continent in the 1930s, only to get attacked from the rear by the "Union of Revolutionary States" coming out of South America. The Americans basically abandoned Europe to focus on protecting their own Empire and sphere of influence, as did the British basically abandon their Caribbean holdings. This process just ruined relations between the two, but things never got kinetic. Because the conflict with the revolutionary state was in large part a naval one, the Americans occupied Britain's Caribbean possessions, and just never left even after the war ended. The British never recognized the American seizure of the Caribbean until the British Empire collapsed in the 60s, leading to the creation of the British Republic.
Relations across the pond are a hell of a lot better than they used to be, but relations are still icy.
Setting up the American Empire just took a long time because the Americans needed a while to figure out what to do and exactly how to do it. The "Interregnum" after the war was defined by the American public asking questions like "do we just become a republic?" "how should we set up a monarchy if we make our own?" "who do we crown king?"
All these questions were answered over the course of a few years, but that took a lot of time and referendums to figure out.
 
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From my TL, a map of the United States of America with its Constituent Nations and Territories in the present day. I did the counties in Qgis (huge mistake on my part)
I am surprised there is only one large city south of the Mason Dixon. What about cities like Dallas-Fort Worth, New Orleans, Atlanta, or Raleigh?
 
One of my typical "Weimar = no WW2" maps. This time in Worlda. Based on 2 CIA maps that I found. The first being based on a map I found of the French Union, the other from the CIA's World Factbook.
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