Beneath The Crimson Banner: An Alternate History Timeline

Here's the first few parts of a much longer timeline that I've been working on for the past few months (while juggling my college work). Right now its incomplete, but will eventually be finished. Updates, due my heavy work load at school, will be forthcoming and probably won't be timely so be patient.

Otherwise, read, enjoy, and comment! :)

BTW, I've rewritten the entire thing as to recreate a realistic German Civil War and Soviet power struggle.

I'm looking forward to your feedback.

Beneath The Crimson Banner: An Alternate History Timeline


Warsaw’s fall


“The decision by Colonel Kamenev to move the bulk of the Southwestern Army Group northwards towards Brest, instead of continuing the march on Lvov, allowed the main Western Army Group under Tukhachevsky to overwhelm the Polish defenders of Warsaw and to seize the capital. The fall of Warsaw meant the spreading of Soviet power to Poland, with the ensuing Peace of Minsk held in 1921 forging a pro-Soviet puppet regime grouped around the Provisional Polish Revolutionary Committee and, later, the Polish Communist Workers’ Party. Polish society was turned upside down as land was collectivized and as factories were nationalized by decree. The Polish army was halved, with any extra arms going to a newly-formed Polish Red Guard.”


“The national question assumed undue importance in a vanquished and Sovietized Poland, a nation which was now part of the much larger Soviet state encompassing most of the former Russian Empire. Stalin, as People’s Commissar for Nationalities’ Affairs, used Soviet Ukraine as a model for how best to incorporate Poland into the federal structure as a new socialist republic. Poland’s overall size was greatly reduced, all territory past the Curzon Line being absorbed into Soviet Russia. The Poles lost Upper Silesia and the wide swath of territory making up the Polish Corridor to the Germans, with the remaining central most portions of the humiliated country ending up in the Polish Soviet Socialist Republic.”


“Despite the clamor by leading Bolsheviks to send the victorious Red Army into Germany, Lenin and his party shied away from a full-scale invasion. Trotsky knew as well as Lenin that the Red Army wasn’t strong enough to fight, let alone conquer, Germany. For the time being, the Red Army was held back and was used to strengthen Soviet rule in Poland. The rapid conquest of the proud Polish nation had brought the Red Army’s logistics to a breaking point. It could go no further.”


-Excerpted from Robert Keller’s The Bolsheviks and Civil War: A History of the Russian Civil War


The German October Revolution’s First Steps


At the present moment, our German comrades stand at a crossroads. The Russian Communist Party must- Lenin stopped writing, setting the pen back onto his desk. He stood up and placed two hands onto the surface of the desk, sighing. “I’m getting too old for this.” He muttered. Honestly, he was only fifty-two. Still, he felt older by a decade. The years of leading first Russia, then that ungainly amalgam of nations making up the Soviet Union, had been strenuous. Grumbling, he collapsed back down into his desk chair and started once again to write.

As he wrote neatly, slowly, he thought of nothing but Germany. To think, it had only been a few years since he had arrived in a sealed train at the Finland Station to take lead of Russia’s revolution. The irony was never more prevalent now, now that the German Empire was no more and revolution was knocking at the nation’s door. Empires, he thought, die. The year 1923 had not been kind to the Germans. The county was in shambles, wracked by rapid inflation and foreign meddling. The Treaty of Versailles was indeed a slave treaty, a treaty forced on a defeated nation by the victors. Yet Germany now stood at a turning point, as a society ripe for revolution. The former imperialist state could join the socialist brotherhood of nations embodied in the USSR. If only, figured Lenin, the German communists could keep up the nationwide insurrection’s momentum, if only. He sighed once again as he finished his writing, just as he put the final punctuation mark onto the paper.


He placed the writings off to one side before rising back up from his desk and prepared to open the door to his office and exit through it. He walked over to the door, but didn’t open it. He placed a thin hand over his chest. His heart was troubling him again. Sighing, he opened the door and left his office. He had a long day ahead of him, and wouldn’t mind a walk.


The German Civil War started with a communist-led insurrection in Hamburg. The German Communist Party (KPD) issued a circular to regional party committees. The instructions were clear: A nationwide insurrection was on the KPD’s immediate agenda, in lieu of rising discontent towards the bourgeois order that was the Weimar Republic. Party militants in Hamburg energetically went through with an insurrection, seizing police stations and building barricades. For a few brief hours, when it seemed that the government might regain the upper hand and restore order to the streets, a feverish tension gripped the city. When the chaotic street battles ended however, the communists were in control. Taking a cue from the Russian Revolution, they christened Hamburg a labor commune and prepared to defend Red Hamburg against counterrevolution.


The proclamation of the Hamburg Labor Commune, championed by KPD stalwarts Hugo Urbahns and Hans Kippenberger who had led the insurrection, sent shock waves throughout Germany. Parties and individuals from across the political spectrum reacted swiftly to the KPD’s violet seizure of power in Hamburg. Action would be taken even as the leaders of the Hamburg Insurrection, flush with their rapid victory over the state’s forces, had begun to form a Red Army. In Hamburg red flags now flew, displayed proudly by dock workers and radicals alike, which only served to shatter the Weimar Republic’s tenuous hold on stability at a time when the economy was in free fall. Tracing the myriad reactions to the revolutionary insurrection in Hamburg is the key to understanding the prolongation of Germany’s bloody civil war.


Attempts by communists to seize power elsewhere were met with determined repression. In Berlin, soldiers loyal to the Weimar Republic clamped down on the capital which was swiftly put under martial law. As had been done in 1919 during the Spartacist Uprising, the government relied to an extent on resurgent rightist militias as reinforcements to contain the unrest rocking the beleaguered capital. For the time being, concerted efforts by the KPD at seizing control over Berlin through an urban insurrection and linking the capital up with Red Hamburg proved illusory. Berlin was soon put under the government’s control, the communists there ending up either imprisoned or dead. Ruth Fischer, who along with the two principle leaders of the Hamburg Insurrection represented the left-wing of the KPD, fought valiantly until she was forced to surrender while taking lead of a daring attack on a Berlin police station which ended in a resounding defeat for the communist insurgents. Unlike Rosa Luxemburg, who was executed by members of the Free Corps movement, she wound up in the hands of the government's forces. Locked up in prison, she nonetheless became a symbol of the German communist movement, as a revolutionary writer and leader.


The German border experienced a flurry of activity from communists which proved hard to suppress. The Russian reds, following their push into central Poland, now bordered the Weimar Republic. It was inevitable, then, that revolutionary propaganda espousing Bolshevism filtered across Germany’s border regions unimpeded. The Bolsheviks were continuing their attempts to spread propaganda, German soldiers and POW’s ending up as key targets for radical material prior to Germany’s defeat in the Great War. This policy was renewed after the Peace of Minsk was concluded. The German Empire had long since collapsed, but Lenin was eager to push the Weimar Republic towards revolution. The Weimar Republic’s conservative right, which had treated the conquest and subsequent division of Poland as a partial revival of the beaten German nation, found new cause for alarm after Bolshevik ideals inevitably found their way into Germany. Whether spread by troublesome KPD diehards or fraternizing Red Army soldiers who had met up with the Reichswehr after the fall of Warsaw, insidious Bolshevik propaganda passed through many hands both German and Russian.


The Hamburg Insurrection had plunged the German republic into chaos, its descent into anarchy eagerly welcomed by the Soviet leadership. Still, relations with the Weimar Republic were high. Tukhachevsky’s triumphant forces had linked up with the Reichswehr along the German-Polish border, resulting in the Weimar Republic moving to annex Polish territories which had been taken away from Germany by the Treaty of Versailles. The Polish Corridor was once again in German hands, reconnecting East and West Prussia. While central Poland was firmly under Soviet domination, the territories of Poland bordering the Weimar Republic which had originally been part of the Reich were annexed to Germany. Both states harbored hostility towards the Versailles Treaty and the Allied powers, thus managing to find common ground with each other regardless of their differences. However, it could not have been far from the minds of Germany’s Social-Democratic leaders that Lenin was seeking to promote revolution in their battered country.

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Note: It tapers off from here, with a not included unfinished section on an earlier Beer Hall Putsch. Mostly, it can be said, research and writing block has prevented me from continuing it past its current unfinished state. Don't forget to read, enjoy, and comment.
 
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Interesting stuff. :)

A Civil War sounds Fun yet bound to be brutal all around.

Maybe a Partitioned Deutschland with different ratios & borders to OTL?

Even if the Reds in Germany are destroyed/defeated/dispersed it could be interesting. :)

An exodus of German Reds to Poland & the USSR could provide lessened Nationalistic Tendencies among the populace especially if they bring vital skills & expertise.

Also a Civil War well & truly screws up a Nations Psyche & Economy so Germany could certainly be a far more diminished threat to the USSR in this ATL.
 

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What is going to happen to Bela Kun's Hungarian Soviet Republic? Will the USSR be able to protect it? And if so, what then, of Czechy and Slovakia?
It might make for an interesting TL if Russia DOES either protect a Communist Hungary or end up annexing Hungary and Slovakia.
 
What is going to happen to Bela Kun's Hungarian Soviet Republic? Will the USSR be able to protect it? And if so, what then, of Czechy and Slovakia?
It might make for an interesting TL if Russia DOES either protect a Communist Hungary or end up annexing Hungary and Slovakia.

Maybe I didn't make it too clear in section one, but Germany erupts into civil war in 1923, not 1919. 1919 was a reference to an earlier attempt by communists to seize power in Berlin. Rightist militias make a comeback after the formation of the Hamburg Labor Commune, which mushroom across Germany in response to the communist insurgencies vying for power nationwide.

So Bela Kun's Hungarian Soviet regime is long since gone, along with the Bavarian Soviet Republic.

However, communists as well as fascists will seize power across Germany in the ensuing days, months, and years in a conflict known as the German Civil War.
 
Updates will be forthcoming, but don't count on them being speedy as I'm mostly focusing on school work.

As this is my first attempt at writing (and finishing) a timeline, feedback/comments would be greatly appreciated.

I know, right now, there isn't a whole lot to read but I'm slowly adding to it.
 
Looking forward to it. :)

any opinions and/or comments? Otherwise, be patient as I'm really hoping to take my time on writing the AH - I still have to do research, juggle my school work, and get around to actually writing the danged thing.

Edit: I'm going to finish the actual narrative first, then I plan on writing a longer timeline that gives a brief overview of events from 1921 (the Soviet conquest of Poland/Peace of Minsk) to the 1950's. (i.e. a USSR spanning from China to France, an isolationist U.S., etc.)

I want it to be well-researched, with particular emphasis on German history and that of the USSR as well. British, French, U.S., Japanese (alternate) histories will also be covered. Overall, I'm hoping for an alternate history longer than 2,000 words and which is essentially ready to be posted in the finished timelines section of AH.com.

Feedback will be greatly appreciated and encouraged. I'm hoping for your opinions and thoughts, as thus far people have been vague about what they think of the timeline thus far.
 
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Here's a fragment of the next section. Read and comment.

The German border experienced a flurry of activity from communists which proved hard to suppress. The Soviet state, following its push into central Poland, now bordered the Weimar Republic. It was inevitable, then, that revolutionary propaganda espousing Bolshevism filtered across Germany’s border regions. The Bolsheviks were continuing their attempts to spread propaganda amongst Germans, soldiers and POWs ending up as key targets for radical material prior to Germany’s defeat in the Great War. This policy was renewed after the Peace of Minsk annexed all Polish territories past the Curzon Line, the peace treaty itself forming a soviet socialist republic encompassing central Poland with its capital at Warsaw. The German Empire had long since collapsed, but Lenin was eager to push the Weimar Republic towards revolution. The Hamburg Insurrection had plunged the German republic into chaos, its descent into anarchy eagerly welcomed by the Soviet leadership.
 
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I'm still doing research and/or writing while also working on school work, so updates won't be timely.

Any comments and/or feedback? It would be greatly appreciated.
 
Attempts by communists to seize power elsewhere were met with determined repression. In Berlin, soldiers loyal to the Weimar Republic clamped down on the capital which was swiftly put under martial law. As had been done in 1919 during the Spartacist Uprising, the government relied to an extent on resurgent rightist militias to contain the unrest rocking the beleaguered capital. For the time being, concerted efforts by the KPD at seizing control over Berlin through an urban insurrection and linking the capital up with Red Hamburg proved illusory. Berlin was soon put firmly under the government’s control, the communists there ending up either imprisoned or dead.
That's nice, but what of the Ruhr and Thuringia? What role is the Comintern playing here? What role is the KAPD playing?
 
That's nice, but what of the Ruhr and Thuringia? What role is the Comintern playing here? What role is the KAPD playing?

The KPD has taken over Hamburg and is forming a Red Army on the Soviet model. The Ruhr and Thruniga will be covered, but I'm taking my time to write this and to do research.

Otherwise, I've been swamped by school work and haven't had the chance to write much, although my independent readings do continue which include works on the Beer Hall Putsch and Soviet foreign relations through the Third Communist International. Otherwise, I've been preoccupied with writing a research paper for one class, another research paper in a different class, and a four-page essay.

I'm seriously seeking to rewrite the AH which had existed as an idea in my head for two or three years now. I've jettisoned most of the explanatory exposition which permeated my earlier drafts (IMHO they were boring and rambling - they weren't concise) and started with the initial POD first (i.e. the fall of Warsaw) and am trying to cover a much longer, bloodier, and grittier German Civil War.

Comments and feedback is as always greatly appreciated, esp. if its in depth. :)

EDIT: Oh, you meant KAPD, not KPD. I'm still doing research, and haven't figured out yet where to place them in the overall narrative.
 
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Here's a sliver of the next section, which I'm planning to make rather long. It involves Hitler and an earlier (and more successful) Beer Hall Putsch in reaction to the creation of the Hamburg Labor Commune (formed by Hamburg's communists)

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At Munich, Adolf Hitler watched the events transpiring in Hamburg, Berlin, and across Germany with a growing sense of apprehension. The communists, the Marxists, had conquered Hamburg and were trying to wrest Berlin away from the government. Only the timely intervention of the army had spared the capital from becoming another labor commune, another city taken over by the KPD. He’d seen revolution once before, first in 1918 and then again in 1919, and hated it. Upon hearing word of the KPD’s disruptive seizure of Hamburg, Hitler became infuriated and dared to urge an uncompromising struggle against both the revolting Marxists and the Weimar government. `
 
Quick Update: Still doing research and am taking my time on writing the alternate history timeline.

An update will be forthcoming but not immediate. In the meantime, feel free to provide feedback and comments. :)
 
Update: Winter break has just started, and I've used the break to write more of my AH (a lot more, going on 3-4 pages soon to be 5 pages). I've gleaned a lot from the book series by E.H. Carr (all 14 volumes of his monumental History of Soviet Russia being at my local library) and am going to delve into books on the Beer Hall Putsch and Hitler's early years.

Here's the next few sections, which I've greatly expanded since I last wrote them.

The first section's title is fitting, as a change in strategy allows the Red Army to take Warsaw and in doing so spread soviet rule to Poland. The Polish nation is carved up, with the border territories falling to the Germans and central Poland becoming a soviet socialist republic.

Warsaw’s fall


“The decision by Colonel Kamenev to move the bulk of the Southwestern Army Group northwards towards Brest, instead of continuing the march on Lvov, allowed the main Western Army Group under Tukhachevsky to overwhelm the Polish defenders of Warsaw and to seize the capital. The fall of Warsaw meant the spreading of Soviet power to Poland, with the ensuing Peace of Minsk held in 1921 forging a pro-Soviet puppet regime grouped around the Provisional Polish Revolutionary Committee and, later, the Polish Communist Workers’ Party. Polish society was turned upside down as land was collectivized and as factories were nationalized by decree. The Polish army was halved, with any extra arms going to a newly-formed Polish Red Guard.”


“The national question assumed undue importance in a vanquished and Sovietized Poland, a nation which was now part of the much larger Soviet state encompassing most of the former Russian Empire. Stalin, as People’s Commissar for Nationalities’ Affairs, used Soviet Ukraine as a model for how best to incorporate Poland into the federal structure as a new socialist republic. Poland’s overall size was greatly reduced, all territory past the Curzon Line being absorbed into Soviet Russia. The Poles lost Upper Silesia and the wide swath of territory making up the Polish Corridor to the Germans, with the remaining central most portions of the humiliated country ending up in the Polish Soviet Socialist Republic.”


“Despite the clamor by leading Bolsheviks to send the victorious Red Army into Germany, Lenin and his party shied away from a full-scale invasion. Trotsky knew as well as Lenin that the Red Army wasn’t strong enough to fight, let alone conquer, Germany. For the time being, the Red Army was held back and was used to strengthen Soviet rule in Poland. The rapid conquest of the proud Polish nation had brought the Red Army’s logistics to a breaking point. It could go no further.”


-Excerpted from Robert Keller’s The Bolsheviks and Civil War: A History of the Russian Civil War

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This long paragraph deals with the KPD's attempts at launching an armed uprising in Berlin a la the Hamburg Insurrection (or IOTL the failed Hamburg Uprising) and discuses briefly the resurgent left-wing of the German Communist Party (the left-wing faction in the party historically stood against cooperation with the SPD or the rump USPD)

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Attempts by communists to seize power elsewhere were met with determined repression. In Berlin, soldiers loyal to the Weimar Republic clamped down on the capital which was swiftly put under martial law. As had been done in 1919 during the Spartacist Uprising, the government relied to an extent on resurgent rightist militias as reinforcements to contain the unrest rocking the beleaguered capital. For the time being, concerted efforts by the KPD at seizing control over Berlin through an urban insurrection and linking the capital up with Red Hamburg proved illusory. Berlin was soon put under the government’s control, the communists there ending up either imprisoned or dead. Ruth Fischer, who along with the two principle leaders of the Hamburg Insurrection represented the left-wing of the KPD, fought valiantly until she was forced to surrender while taking lead of a daring attack on a Berlin police station which ended in a resounding defeat for the communist insurgents. Unlike Rosa Luxemburg, who was executed by members of the Free Corps movement, she wound up in the hands of the government's forces. Locked up in prison, she nonetheless became a symbol of the German communist movement, as a revolutionary writer and leader.
 
Poor Poland :(. OTL is already a polescrew as it is! Collectivisation of land probably means famines in store. Hell, "using soviet Ukraine as a model" there might even be a polish holodomor *shudder*.

If this timeline ends up mixing a more powerful USSR with a still-isolationist U.S, you're looking at a seriously dystopic europe.

That said, maybe a combination of populist uprisings and more vigorous resistance from Britain, France et.al might actually lead to a shorter period of Soviet terror.

I've got to commend you on your choice of P.O.D, and I'll be following with interest!
 
Poor Poland :(. OTL is already a polescrew as it is! Collectivisation of land probably means famines in store. Hell, "using soviet Ukraine as a model" there might even be a polish holodomor *shudder*.

If this timeline ends up mixing a more powerful USSR with a still-isolationist U.S, you're looking at a seriously dystopic europe.

That said, maybe a combination of populist uprisings and more vigorous resistance from Britain, France et.al might actually lead to a shorter period of Soviet terror.

I've got to commend you on your choice of P.O.D, and I'll be following with interest!

IMHO collectivization of agriculture could very well lead to a famine in the Ukraine as in Poland. However, with Germany later on in the TL joining the USSR as a member state (known after the civil war as the German Soviet Republic) the Soviet Union which will stretch from Moscow to Berlin will have more resources available for its industrialization drive. As IOTL, although with Leon Trotsky in power, the Soviet regime will finally settle with the petty-bourgeois peasantry and the kulaks. (with all of the far-reaching consequences left intact)

The main idea for the timeline is that the U.S. stays isolationist into the 1950's. WWII creates a Soviet Union stretching from Beijing to Paris, the war itself to be featured heavily in future updates.

The main POD is meant to work around the cliche of the 'Red Army invasion of Germany and/or western Europe' IMHO the Red Army shouldn't be able to invade the Wiemar Republic so soon after taking over Poland (and bringing its logistics to the breaking point in the process), especially as relations between the Bolshevik regime and the Wiemar government were high - hence the carving up of Poland between the Soviets and Germany.

And of course, the second main POD is the German Civil War, which erupts after communists seize power in Hamburg.:D
 
The Western Europeans are going to royally flip out...

That and occupying the Ruhr - as well as trying to avoid getting drawn into Germany's protracted and bloody civil war.

It remains to be seen how the USSR will react to the outbreak of civil war in Germany, owing to their solid relations with the Wiemar Republic as IOTL.

Further feedback would be greatly appreciated.:)
 
I disagree with the idea that a red Poland would help the cause of the KPD. Unless the scare of Poland's fall triggered a rightist coup in preparation for an invasion of Germany, I can't see the Polish being under Communist occupation (The Polish Resistance would remain) as a helpful thing for German communism.
 
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