Bayonets Won't Cut Coal: The Socialist Republic of Britain

theirishdreamer said:
Very informative response

I will say there would be a great deal of inflow into the Free State, strangely its likely to be a more friendly place to live than the NI with its underlying problems, even for an Englishman the North tends to lag behind from the cultural norms on the mainland while Dublin was the second city of the Empire until recently. Plus remember its very easy for a UK citizen to go then Free State and all the same rights as in the UK including voting. No restrictions especially back the 20's baring the customs checks at the border.

And the Oath's a big big thing. But its really only a disguise in of itself, its the view the Oath puts Dail Eireann as inferior to Westminster through the Royals that really rankles, especially in former anti-Treaty forces. If the King of England is no longer King of England then suddenly its a very different ballgame.

I can't wait to see the next update, when shall it be?
Always happy to answer any questions. :)

There would be big movements of people from the mainland to both Northern Ireland and the Free State - in my opinion any Scots fleeing the revolution would probably set up shop in the North as that would be their closest refuge - Cairnryan/Stranraer is only about 35 odd miles from Larne as the crow flies I think . Also they might be better able to assimilate in the longer term with their closer cultural/religious links in Northern Ireland. Holyhead - Dublin is about 68 miles which makes it one of the closer 'non French' ports for people fleeing England. I'm not sure what sort of shipping would have been operating at the time, but I have a couple of books that might shed some light on it.

I'm still deciding what way to go in regards to the Free State/Monarchy at the moment. There is much to consider historically and also what would be an interesting read as well!

The next update is almost ready, so I will post it up by the end of the week. :)
 
Book I - Fading Glory and Class Wars: The Rise of Socialist Britain

Chapter V

The Worker's Revolution

As Arthur Henderson motored back to London from Windsor Castle, he contemplated the mammoth task ahead of him. As Britain’s first Labour Prime Minister, he felt the weight of the entire labour movement on his shoulders. For many long years, unionists had worked so hard for this day, and they expected much of Henderson. As he settled into his new office at 10 Downing Street, still sporting the personal belongings of his predecessor who had departed in such a hurry, Henderson embarked on the task of pulling together a Cabinet for his Government of National Unity. Jix resigned from the leadership of the rump Conservative Party, to be replaced by Churchill who became the leader of His Majesty’s Loyal Opposition.

The Great Offices of State were divided between Labour and the Liberals. Henderson appointed former Labour leader and his close friend Ramsay MacDonald to the Home Office; Phillip Snowden (Labour) was selected to be Chancellor of the Exchequer and Henry Asquith returned to government as the Foreign Secretary. The National Unity Tories also received two senior Cabinet positions as Neville Chamberlain was appointed to the War Office and Edward F.L Wood was selected as President of the Board of Trade. The rest of Cabinet was split between Labour and the Liberals. The Department of Supply, which was seen as a tool of oppression against the union movement was immediately abolished. Most of the department's responsibilities were transferred to the Home Office under MacDonald.

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The Labour men who tried to pull Britain from the brink (l to r): Prime Minister Arthur Henderson, Home Secretary Ramsay MacDonald and Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Snowden.

MacDonald’s first action as Home Secretary was to disband the despised Auxies along with the Civil Guard. Stringent restrictions were placed upon the police, who were prohibited from entering strike sites and were unable to break up protests. As a result, police forces in London and the major industrial cities were virtually withdrawn from the streets, giving free reign to strikers and protestors. Violence and looting was commonplace in these cities, leading to an exodus of the middle class and shop owners into the suburbs and countryside. The army remained in place around key government buildings in London, such as the Palace of Westminster, the Royal residences, BBC Radio headquarters and various Ministries, but was forbidden to act unless those locations were under direct threat.

As the police, Auxies and army withdrew from the streets, their places were eagerly taken by the newly established Volunteer Worker Battalions (VWB), which were organised and led by the firebrand Scottish trades unionist and Red Clydeside veteran Willie Gallacher. Armed with whatever they could find, including looted arms from police stations and Auxie bases, these battalions were a rough-and-ready band of unionists, Communists and sympathetic soldiers who had defected and joined the workers’ cause. Under the supervision of the Local Action Committees (LAC), these battalions had initially been formed to protect striking workers from the police and aggressive Auxies, but were now deployed across the major industrial cities as a paramilitary police force, in an effort to try and curb looting, and to protect the NACLM leadership.

Cook and the NACLM had all but supplanted the TUC, and were now firmly entrenched in the London Trades Union Hall where they directed the General Strike and wider protest movement through an ad hoc but surprisingly well organised system of planning and administration. The fall of the much hated Jix Government and the rise of Arthur Henderson as Prime Minister did little to temper Cook’s calls for radical change. He was no fan of Henderson and the leadership of the Parliamentary Labour Party, who he considered puppets of the Establishment. Upon hearing of Henderson’s appointment as Prime Minister by the King, Cook scoffed that nothing would change, and was particularly scornful that Henderson was willing to work with the National Unity Tories. On Cook’s orders, the more radical members of Parliament, including James Maxton, boycotted Henderson’s Government and refused to return to take their places Parliament. While Cook agreed to undertake discussions with Henderson about ending the General Strike, he refused to attend any meetings that included Tory Ministers. On 5 August, when Henderson agreed to lead a Labour/Liberal delegation to meet with the NACLM, Cook agreed but the meeting was terse, and failed to make any progress at all. Cook simply refused to work with Henderson.

Despite this bruising rebuke from Cook and the NACLM, Henderson launched into the task of transforming Britain with great gusto, hoping his reform agenda would appease the rank and file workers and result in the collapse of the strike. For the first few days of Henderson’s premiership, Parliament held marathon sessions to push through a myriad of new legislation designed to overhaul labour laws, improve pay and working conditions and curtail the power of the State to break up industrial action. Meanwhile, under the direction of the Cabinet Office, thousands of Civil Servants worked feverishly drafting further legislation to introduce a comprehensive pension system, as well as wide sweeping reforms to the education and health systems. While things were moving at a frantic pace for Whitehall, it was not nearly quick enough for NACLM, which accused Henderson of being too cautious and far too willing to compromise with the ‘class enemies’ of the workers and people. “This is the opportunity for us to forever change the face of Britain,” Maxton told a crowd of trades unionists and left-wing activists on 6 August, “and we must not waste time in the fruitless effort to compromise with those who want to keep us down. We must act now!”

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Despite Henderson's reform efforts, industry remained paralysed by the growing revolutionary momentum across the country.

After nearly two weeks in power, with no sign of the General Strike ending despite the Henderson Government’s promise of sweeping reform, the Prime Minister again tried to organise a meeting with Cook and the NACLM. Cook reluctantly agreed, and just after lunch on the sweltering summer afternoon of 15 August, Henderson and a small delegation of Labour and Liberal Ministers made their way from Downing Street to the Trades Union Hall. Along the way, many of the city streets were choked with protestors who had set up camp. They booed the Prime Minister and threw rocks at his car as it sped by. Despite this, Henderson was not shaken and when he arrived at the Trades Union Hall he confidently addressed the crowd gathered outside, while flanked by members of the VWB as his Special Branch security men were pushed aside. Henderson gave a short speech, outlining his Government’s reform agenda and its goal to create a fairer British society. His speech was met with lukewarm applause at best. The crowd expected much, but did not trust Henderson to deliver.

As the Prime Minister turned around and started walking towards the Hall’s entrance, three loud gunshots pierced the air. Henderson, with two gunshot wounds to his back, stumbled and then collapsed. Thomas Shaw, the Minister for Labour, was also hit in the arm. Members of the VWB and the crowd immediately turned on the perpetrator, thinking he was a reactionary assassin. In truth, the man was actually Rupert Jones, a mentally unstable young Communist Party member who was convinced Henderson had been planted in the Labour Party by the Conservatives. While the VWB men who dragged Jones’ limp body into the Hall later discovered his true identity, it was immediately suppressed by the NACLM, and it would be many years before the truth was revealed.

After months of tension and growing violence, Henderson’s assassination was the spark that finally ignited the British Revolution. As word spread that Henderson has been killed by a reactionary, violence swept across Britain. Spearheaded by the swelling ranks of Gallacher’s VWB, mobs of protestors descended on Whitehall, the heart of the British Government. While some soldiers manning the blockades and checkpoints put up stiff resistance, for the most part the soldiers, completely overwhelmed, abandoned their posts or even joined the mêlée. One after the other, key Ministries and government buildings were stormed and captured, including the Foreign Office, Home Office, War Office, Exchequer, Cabinet Office and 10 Downing Street. The now empty and lightly defended Buckingham Palace also fell, and dozens of red flags were unfurled from the windows as the crowds below cheered wildly. Westminster Palace fell to the rampaging revolutionaries just after 4pm. This had been the site of some of the stiffest resistance from loyalist army units, but the sheer weight of the revolutionary onslaught finally broke the weary soldiers after hours of heavy fighting.

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Soldiers outside the Cabinet Office just hours before it was stormed by revolutionaries.

As the turmoil engulfed London, Churchill telephoned the King and urged him and his family to evacuate to France immediately, as per the secret contingency plans drawn up by the Department of Supply during the final months of Jix’s Government. The King initially refused, as he did not want to abandon the country. Thanking Churchill for his concern, the King then tried in vain to get in contact with leading members of the National Unity Government, including MacDonald and Asquith, in an ettempt to appoint a new Prime Minister. As the hot summer afternoon wore on, the news filtering in to the King’s study at Windsor Castle became more and more worrisome. This wasn’t just a riot or an escalation of the protests. This was revolution and the situation was beyond being salvaged.

By 5pm, it was clear that much of central London, as well as Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool, Bristol and Glasgow were in the hands of the revolutionaries. At just after 6pm, word reached Windsor that a large group of ‘violent revolutionaries’, some armed, were making their way across Western London to Windsor Castle so they could ‘arrest’ the King and force his abdication. It was reported that the large group, in a motley convey of old trucks and cars, was just entering Brentford, a mere 30 minute drive from Windsor. The Imperial General Staff told the King that they could try to scramble some army units to intercept the convoy, but were doubtful it could be done in time, as communications were in meltdown, forces were stretched beyond breaking point and the loyalty of many units was in question. The Cheif of the Imperial General Staff, not wanting to hide the gravity of the situation, informed the King that both the army and navy in Britain were facing widespread defections and there were even cases of outright mutiny. He urged the King to evacuate immediately. Shaken by this news, and remembering the fate of his cousin Nicholas II of Russia at the hands of revolutionaries, the King finally relented and agreed to evacuate. Shortly after, the King, his family and the servants of the Royal Household, carrying whatever they could gather with them, boarded a heavily armoured military train which swiftly took them South to Dover, from where they departed Britain via ship to France later that night. Less than half an hour after the King fled, the convoy of revolutionaries reached Windsor Castle. Abandoned by the army, the castle was quickly overrun. Red flags soon flew from atop the Round Tower at the centre of the castle.

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A Volunteer Worker Battalion (VWB) Commander using a field radio kit to relay information to the NACLM about the fall of Windsor Castle.

As the King fled Windsor Castle, a triumphant Cook, flanked by his NACLM comrades, entered Westminster. Shortly after, he addressed the jubilant crowd of revolutionaries packed into the House of Commons. Standing in front of the Speaker’s chair, he proclaimed that the British Government and Establishment had been vanquished. “I stand before you tonight, the workers and people of Britain, and proudly proclaim that His Majesty’s Government is no more!” After a few minutes of deafening applause and cheering, he continued. “Through a hard won struggle, and after much bitter sacrifice and spilled blood, we have prevailed. We have brought our enemies to their knees. The country is ours!" Cook concluded his long victory speech by announcing that the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland had been abolished. In its place, the Socialist Republic of Britain was proclaimed. “Here tonight, we are witnessing the birth of Socialist Britain,” Cook told the euphoric crowd.
 
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Hmmm

Yeah for Scots the North makes alot of sense, easy travel and most of the Unionists have strong links to Scotland anyway so they'll be welcomed in.

In regards the Free State; your correct that historically Ireland went the Republic route, and personally id prefer been a Republic but there are several OTL and ITTL events working against it. Ive been doing a bit of reseach into as i was debating a timeline around that period for Ireland :D

OTL there was still alot of residual loyalty to the Crown in Ireland, especially around Dublin, it wasnt EASY OTL to break then link even with Dev and his Republicanism. Lots of letters from Ireland for example at Jubilees and such.

OTL; the Economic War between the Free State and the UK would be shaping up fairly soon but could be butterflied away by a civil war in Britain.

ITTL and OTL: Theres alot of Brits in Ireland, even back the 20's and 30's, lot of casual travelers and retirees. Also most of the country estates are relatively intact depending on the timeline, theres also several Ferries between Dublin and the UK for these travelers and for the mail between the two nations.
Plus most of those fleeing to Ireland will be quite conservative and/or military men, they can vote in Ireland under OTL rules and will influence Irish politics. Irish politics is shocking local, which also means it very responsive to new voting blocs. The need to integrate ex-British units to increase military strenght will have concessions to refugees.

OTL: we were in a currency union largely (punt was basically controlled by the UK Treasury) at the time and alot of old imperial links are still in existance (see the Economic War and why it was "fought")

OTL: the biggie; The Treaty Ports which possess significant Garrisons and Naval support are still in British hands. Your Socialist Britain wil NOT be allowed to control them, so your going to have to arrange some sort of transfer between the Free State and either the government or Local commanders. Been honest Churchill himself had a weird obession with them even during WW2. Elements of the Royal Navy espically can move there in the even of a "Red" Britain. This is before Cork's naval yards declined, its only recently stopped be a major RN base so can easily reactived.

ITTL: The "Red" "Republic next door will do alot of damage to those of us wanting break with the rest of the Dominions - these are the people we'll be looking for protection from, breaking that link and risk a British invasion would not be appealling. All the socialist talk of "workers unite" and "nations are history" doesnt sit well with hardcore nationalists that we Irish are, especially since we just got our indepenence recently. Look on how Poland looked upon the Soviet Union for how we'll view Britain going forward. Yes we'll work with them, but only because we'd have too. It'll stop us going the Neutral route we went OTL and force Ireland into something of a Swiss model of armed forces rather than out OTL route of reducing the Armed forces to nearly nothing over the 20's. Look to WW2 and "The Emergency" to how Ireland will likely respind to this new Britain.
 
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I've got a feeling that the turmoil isn't over quite yet but, considering how swiftly the revolutionaries have taken the key industry cities, there's not going to be the prolonged civil war of Russia and Spain. Very interesting. Raise that scarlet standard high, comrades!
 
Hmm

Id doubt it'll be that easy, the British Empires forces tend to be heavily outside the mainland. The Royal Navy should be "relatively" untouched and theres all the nearby garrisons and anti-communists in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Having control of the manufacturing merely gives the revolutionaries the chance to actually win the fighting. Plus France will back the British conservatives. If there isnt a civil war then something's very wrong as British society is quite conservative and the army itself even if overstreched should be able to intitally hold significant areas even with defections.
Plus the Auxiliuries and Blacks and Tans will reform fairly rapidly outside Red areas, the Red's should win in this scenario but it shouldnt be an easy fight.
 
And there it goes - the Revolution has begun. I have a feeling a lot of notable people are going to suffer a few nasty ends before it's all over...

Incidentally, what's happening with the railways? Did the grouping go ahead?
 

sharlin

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Great stuff! Lets just hope its not a stalinist UK. I'm supprised the King and Royal Family don't try to flee to Canada.
 
Great stuff! Lets just hope its not a stalinist UK. I'm supprised the King and Royal Family don't try to flee to Canada.

Fleeing to France initially makes sense, staying closer to the situation to try and manage things. Fleeing to Canada would only really make sense once the King has accepted that Britain is lost, at least in the short term.

Also, the Imperial General Staff mentioned that the Navy was seeing lots of defections. So, you know, might might want to minimize long-term travel on whatever ship they grabbed well in port.
 
Id doubt it'll be that easy, the British Empires forces tend to be heavily outside the mainland. The Royal Navy should be "relatively" untouched and theres all the nearby garrisons and anti-communists in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Having control of the manufacturing merely gives the revolutionaries the chance to actually win the fighting. Plus France will back the British conservatives. If there isnt a civil war then something's very wrong as British society is quite conservative and the army itself even if overstreched should be able to intitally hold significant areas even with defections.
Plus the Auxiliuries and Blacks and Tans will reform fairly rapidly outside Red areas, the Red's should win in this scenario but it shouldnt be an easy fight.
Scotland in this period isn't anti-communist. I mean, Red Clydeside! And while aspects of OTL lead to a more conservative society, this timeline has far more support for radical change and more importantly, in a way that distances it from the factory occupations of Italy's bienno rosso, it has more organised support. Indeed the royal navy will remain mostly reactionary but there's a certain truth to the addage that Britain hasn't been successfully invaded since 1066. It's far more difficult for outside forces to influence the revolution and, in comparison to revolutionary Russia, revolutionary Britain has it easy.
 
Well there's clearly going to some attempt to 'restore order' in Britain by the government, but I feel that for now the king is without a country!
 

sharlin

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As long as there's no purges or mass executions etc, if the Royal Family get caught then we don't want them being shot out of hand, I doubt that Churchill will survive, he organised the folks who committed some nasty nasty atrocities, if he does not do a runner then he could well face a short drop with a peice of rope round his neck.
 
Hmmm

Giantmonkeyman your forgetting that outside the cities the socialists have little support and just holding the manufacturing doesn't mean an automatic win.Outside of Red Clydeside the Scots aren't all socialists, there very strong Tory strong holdouts out there. And Northern Ireland there isnt a living Socialist!

The reason Britain isnt invaded is the Royal Navy; a portion of this will go over to the Reds but socialists make poor naval men OTL, arms and troops will pour back from the Rest of the Empire and these will be the anti-communists. Its actually easier with control of the sea to support the reactionaries than it would be in Russia. The sea is a highway and the Royal Navy the greatest in the world, and baring some units in Scapa Flow and others captured in port largely reactionary.

IF it was me leading the defence against the Reds id use the forces from the Raj and Northern Ireland backed up by Auxies and use the naval mobility to reinforce before they can. Plus with a liberal use of gas could break them as there not likely to be protected against the gas (though gas is taboo it could be brought out)
Look at how the British fought in Ireland, against the Kurd & Iraqis, against the Egyptians all in the 1920's. The "colonial" troops are very reactionary and used to crushing "natives & traitors". They'll likely still lose but its a logical strategy in line with what resources are available to anti-communists.
 
IF it was me leading the defence against the Reds id use the forces from the Raj and Northern Ireland backed up by Auxies and use the naval mobility to reinforce before they can. Plus with a liberal use of gas could break them as there not likely to be protected against the gas (though gas is taboo it could be brought out)
Look at how the British fought in Ireland, against the Kurd & Iraqis, against the Egyptians all in the 1920's. The "colonial" troops are very reactionary and used to crushing "natives & traitors". They'll likely still lose but its a logical strategy in line with what resources are available to anti-communists.

Using forces from the Raj, Auxies and gas against British people seems like a good way of winning the revolution for the revolutionaries in my opinion. Even the conservatives would be disgusted by those tactics will almost certainly cause great numbers of people who would be partial to the king to side with the revolution. They can't treat their homeland like a conquered colonial region, that will only justify the revolutionaries in the eyes of every single moderate in the nation. Also the imperial general staff themselves have said the Navy is untrustworthy at best and atleast partially in open mutiny, that tells me that the navy can't be relied on here.
 
a portion of this will go over to the Reds but socialists make poor naval men OTL, arms and troops will pour back from the Rest of the Empire and these will be the anti-communists.

Gross generalisation much?

I would expect more Naval officers to skew small-c conservative than the general population, but there will be some very capable officers who are left-leaning, and I wouldn't be surprised if ordinary seamen are more sympathetic to the new government than others.
 
I just kinda assumed that Northern Ireland would become a reactionary holdout and ignored it, to be honest. And in regards to the conservative rural Britain? Well, unlike Russia with its 70% peasant population, Britain's rural countryside is composed of unionised miners, fishermen, railway workers, postal workers etc as well as farmers. By the time any sort of organised reactionary forces can be mobilised and brought over to Britain there'd be a capable (if not professional) force waiting and more than able to cut off supply lines and isolate White armies that land. Of course, I'm not saying it's going to be easy but it's certainly going to be a lot easier than what was facing the Bolsheviks or the republicans in Spain.
 
I just kinda assumed that Northern Ireland would become a reactionary holdout and ignored it, to be honest. And in regards to the conservative rural Britain? Well, unlike Russia with its 70% peasant population, Britain's rural countryside is composed of unionised miners, fishermen, railway workers, postal workers etc as well as farmers. By the time any sort of organised reactionary forces can be mobilised and brought over to Britain there'd be a capable (if not professional) force waiting and more than able to cut off supply lines and isolate White armies that land. Of course, I'm not saying it's going to be easy but it's certainly going to be a lot easier than what was facing the Bolsheviks or the republicans in Spain.

This is a very solid point. Britain is heavily industrialised and heavily urbanised; and nowhere is massively far from a decent-sized city. If the revolutionaries can take and hold control in most of the major cities, they'll be able to keep the countryside under control.
 
I'm curious as to what Moscow's reaction to Red Britain will be. IIRC, the Left Opposition to Stalin is still active, so a Western nation experiencing a revolution would give those opposed to the "Socialism in One Country" policy much more strength. Uncle Joe will probably still come out on top in the power struggle, but it'd be harder for his regime to go about conducting a Great Purge.
 
Oh

Im not saying the revolutionaries won't win, especially since they've taken most of the manufacturing there will be major defections. But to just have the Royal Navy and the Army desert en mass to the Revolution is just ASB.
But use of gas and Raj forces would be consistent with British conservative policies of the time. I listed out examples during the time frame for there use. Your correct it would turn public opinion against them, but this is a different time and age. The Soviets in Russia proved you can be far more evil than the other side, but as long as you win your the good guys. The Reds control enough of the heartland to win but they'll still have to clear out all the other areas that will cleave to the like of Churchill and the Tories. Plus the purge of "class enemies" takes time as the Spanish and Russian experiences show

Naval forces tend to be heavily commanded, especially in the Royal Navy be educated men of either middle class or aristocratic backgrounds, the Naval personnel are often working class and OTL there was a danger of revolt at the Flow back in the 20's BUT most of the fleet remained loyal without much complaint as the British tended to make an exception for the Navy.

And why do socialists tend to make bad naval men. Its actually easily explained, Naval matters dont match up with the communist outlook of the time, the reason the RN for example was so good for so long was its training, command and control, and its "elan". Most qualities that are hard to get without the societal and educational background to maintain it. It's not "Reds" are stupid, its merely Naval combat is alot different than land warfare and requires a different mentality to be successful.

And a to Rural Britain. Significant portions of the population vote Tory, have Tory politicians, have a local conservative organizations, theres large very religious groupings (like the Irish) in Britain who hate communism. If your arguing these people are all suddenly going to passively accept being made members of the "proletariat" i think your being quite naive. There's a big different between workers supporting the strike and a Soviet style government (which is what were getting fro the looks of it)

And Northern Ireland. Lets pretend they'll do nothing and ignore them from the timeline. They have arms, production capacity and major links to the UK Tories, they'll fight first on the mainland before become a holdout with Ireland, and they'll be active covertly to undermine a Soviet Britain till the system inevitably collapses. Its something Lord Brisbane seems to be addressing in his and not just pretending all goes easy for the socialists and Unionist should act to preserve "their" Britain, even moving the forces in Ireland would allow deployment of 3-4 armed and organized divisions with 2-3 days that would be very reactionary in background.
 
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