Merrily We Roll Along: A Post-1969 History of Looney Tunes

Yeah, I got quite a few ideas for tropes:
  • Adaptational Name Change: Super Scooper (one of the new characters) becomes Scoop Snoop due to the existence of Hanna-Barbera's Super Scooper.
  • Adaptational Villainy: Chuck Jones becomes a much worse person ITTL, including becoming a sexual harasser.
  • Adapted Out: Lola Bunny doesn't exist due to Honey Bunny already appearing.
  • The Bus Came Back: In-universe, many of the old Looney Tunes characters such as Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck return in the 1970s.
  • Canon Foreigner: Penelope Koshkin, one of Chuck's victims who becomes a director at the Warner Cartoon Group. Kanga Roo, a new character created by Robert McKimson as a parody of the new characters, doesn't exist IOTL.
  • Different World, Different Movies: Among other things, Star Wars is animated, and Chuck Jones' final collaboration with Warners, The Earth Creatures, which gets sent to die after he falls from grace.
  • Fatal Flaw: Pride, for Chuck Jones. A major reason for his downfall is that he's an egotist who goes as far as to openly disparage his colleagues.
  • Gender Flip: Both the Road Runner and Quick Brown Fox become female under Koshkin's hands.
  • Old Shame: Robert McKimson isn't proud of any of the new characters he created, especially Hoppy, and is relieved to be able to work on the old characters again.
  • Seasonal Rot: Jones' works in the 1970s are criticized for their pacing and humor, and the Koshkin and Bob Clampett Road Runners aren't well-liked for their changes.
  • Suddenly Voiced: Road Runner and Quick Brown Fox speak, though in the shorts it's limited to brief quips. They do speak much more often in wraparounds, though (especially the Road Runner).
  • Take That!: According to Word of God, TTL's portrayal of Jones is due to the author's dislike of him as a person.
  • Tempting Fate: Like IOTL, McKimson brags about outliving his peers after receiving a clean bill of health and learning of his family's history of living past 90. He dies of a heart attack two days later.
  • Tuckerization: Penelope Pussycat is named after Koshkin in-universe.
  • Villainous Breakdown: Jones' meltdown at Clampett during the "Meet the 'Mation Makers" event in January 1977, in front of hundreds (potentially thousands) of animation fans, no less! Jones proceeds to disparage his colleagues, as well as boast about how he's better than Disney and UPA, and show hypocrisy by criticizing the Sylvester and Tweety and Speedy Gonzales series, but praising his Road Runner cartoons as "subversive masterpieces".
For Trivia, we already got a case of What Could Have Been with your original plans to reboot the TL after the Jones incident, which would've resulted in a Downer Ending.

EDIT: Made it.
But remember, with all the retcons I’ve done since, Clampett is still out of the toon game, and Avery is on his behalf. And no Clampett Road Runners, IIRC (I need to look back over this and get it all straight)
 
But aside from that, great work! I might consider adding onto this, including a character page (including both “real” people and cartoon characters)
 
Yeah, I got quite a few ideas for tropes:
  • Adaptational Name Change: Super Scooper (one of the new characters) becomes Scoop Snoop due to the existence of Hanna-Barbera's Super Scooper.
  • Adaptational Villainy: Chuck Jones becomes a much worse person ITTL, including becoming a sexual harasser.
  • Adapted Out: Lola Bunny doesn't exist due to Honey Bunny already appearing.
  • The Bus Came Back: In-universe, many of the old Looney Tunes characters such as Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck return in the 1970s.
  • Canon Foreigner: Penelope Koshkin, one of Chuck's victims who becomes a director at the Warner Cartoon Group. Kanga Roo, a new character created by Robert McKimson as a parody of the new characters, doesn't exist IOTL.
  • Different World, Different Movies: Among other things, Star Wars is animated, and Chuck Jones' final collaboration with Warners, The Earth Creatures, which gets sent to die after he falls from grace.
  • Fatal Flaw: Pride, for Chuck Jones. A major reason for his downfall is that he's an egotist who goes as far as to openly disparage his colleagues.
  • Gender Flip: Both the Road Runner and Quick Brown Fox become female under Koshkin's hands.
  • Old Shame: Robert McKimson isn't proud of any of the new characters he created, especially Hoppy, and is relieved to be able to work on the old characters again.
  • Seasonal Rot: Jones' works in the 1970s are criticized for their pacing and humor, and the Koshkin and Bob Clampett Road Runners aren't well-liked for their changes.
  • Suddenly Voiced: Road Runner and Quick Brown Fox speak, though in the shorts it's limited to brief quips. They do speak much more often in wraparounds, though (especially the Road Runner).
  • Take That!: According to Word of God, TTL's portrayal of Jones is due to the author's dislike of him as a person.
  • Tempting Fate: Like IOTL, McKimson brags about outliving his peers after receiving a clean bill of health and learning of his family's history of living past 90. He dies of a heart attack two days later.
  • Tuckerization: Penelope Pussycat is named after Koshkin in-universe.
  • Villainous Breakdown: Jones' meltdown at Clampett during the "Meet the 'Mation Makers" event in January 1977, in front of hundreds (potentially thousands) of animation fans, no less! Jones proceeds to disparage his colleagues, as well as boast about how he's better than Disney and UPA, and show hypocrisy by criticizing the Sylvester and Tweety and Speedy Gonzales series, but praising his Road Runner cartoons as "subversive masterpieces".
For Trivia, we already got a case of What Could Have Been with your original plans to reboot the TL after the Jones incident, which would've resulted in a Downer Ending.

EDIT: Made it.
Banned Episode: After Chuck Jones is fired and arrested for sexual assault, all of his shorts, films, and TV shows are removed from circulation.
 
Yeah. Modern day critics ITTL say that the old Jones Road Runner shorts are masterpieces, but more modern Jones Road Runner shorts are terrible. The quality order for Road Runner goes- Early Jones, McKimson, Bob Clampett (animation quality wise they're much better than McKimson, but Clampett's take on the Road Runner is polarizing), Late Jones, Larriva
You might need to edit the chapters to reflect these retcons.
 
But aside from that, great work! I might consider adding onto this, including a character page (including both “real” people and cartoon characters)
Workaholic would be a perfect trope for Robert McKimson's section; he worked on Looney Tunes from the very beginning, all the way until his death in 1977, with the only exception being the 1967-68 period (the early W7 era) when Alex Lovy was the sole director.


As for the in-universe cartoon characters, I wonder if we could list their in-universe voice actors (that we already know), like the character sheet for Itchy & Scratchy?
 
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Alright, I just started a draft for TTL's TV Tropes character sheet. Here's the doc for anyone who wants to help. I'm starting with directors for now.

Does anyone else have more ideas for tropes on the main page?
 
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I have an idea for a “side quest”- something that happened before that I haven’t mentioned, but it’s not technically a retcon since it’s a special and I don’t talk about specials that much.
 
Y’know how I made up a Suzy Snowflake special in another thread? Well, in this TL, she outright replaces Jack Frost in the Rankin Bass universe
 
Y’know how I made up a Suzy Snowflake special in another thread? Well, in this TL, she outright replaces Jack Frost in the Rankin Bass universe
I don't see why not. And yet, I could also see a small parallel between Suzy Snowflake's legacy at Rankin-Bass and Honey Bunny in the Looney Tunes series.
 
Aaand I missed almost a week. Oops. This post is the about the Special Squad (renamed from its prototype "The Special Force"), Universal and Marvel's new block and answer to the Rising Sun and the Pagoda. Unlike most of its competitors, though much like Rising Sun's Ultraman and Volcano Man, these shows are live-action tokusatsu rather than anime. Unlike even Ultraman and Volcano Man, these shows are partially made in America outside of dubbing, with Japanese fight footage spliced with American actors (much like IOTL's Power Rangers franchise)- with one key exception. All shows are produced by Universal Television in association with Marvel Comics, adapted from series by Toei Company.

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9:00 AM - The Rangers Five
Adapted from Himitsu Sentai Gorenger. The first of the two shows NOT introduced as part of this block. It's currently on its third and final 26-episode season, nearing the end of Gorenger's own 84-episode run. The plot in this is slightly different- instead of EAGLE (the Earth Guard League) being almost completely destroyed by the Black Cross League the the electronic battlesuits being given to the few survivors like in Gorenger, EAGLE (the European-American Guardian Leader Enterprise) is fully operational, with the five battlesuits instead being given to their top five agents- essentially a prototypical A-Team. Much like IOTL's original Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, one of the male Gorengers- in this case, the Blue Ranger, or Aorenger- is made a female in this version. The characters are-​
  • Michael "Mickey" Maroon/Red One - The leader, the head honcho... and actually the head of EAGLE. A cross between Tsuyoshi/Akaranger and Commander Edogawa from Gorenger, though unlike in that series, he's the one with the least focus plot-wise, serving more as a calm guiding hand that keeps the rest of the team in check. The few focus episodes he does get tend to amp up the action.​
  • Marina Navy/Blue Two - Swimmer, gymnast, marathon runner, and overall athlete. Known for being quick on her feet and quick with a joke, being one of two "comic relief" members of the team. However multiple episodes show that she uses her comedic wits to cover up her insecurities. As such, her focus episodes tend to be rather emotional.​
  • Larry Gold/Yellow Three - Kickboxer and strongman. His immense strength more than makes up for his lack of intelligence- the only thing on the team bigger than his muscles is his appetite. He's the second "comic relief" member of the team, utilizing a more broad comedy approach as opposed to Marina's dry wit. The primary sources of comedy he utilizes are slapstick coming from not knowing his own strength, and his appetite. His episodes are the most comedic of the series.​
  • Peggy Rose/Pink Four - The brains of the bunch. Chemist, weapons expert, and borderline mad scientist. Despite her costume being the lightest in color, she's the most morally grey- while not generally shown in the stock fight scenes, she can be pretty brutal, and not always the most ethical in terms of her experiments. As such, her episodes are typically the darkest as she struggles to keep her morality in check.​
  • Kenny Greene/Green Five - The newest recruit, the baby of the bunch, and arguably the main character. A little brash, immature, and clumsy, and still finding his way in the world, Kenny serves as the audience's POV, his curiosity leading him to ask the questions the kids at home might ask. As such, most of the episodes are focused on him.​
Together, the team fights against the Black Cross Army, again a terrorist organization who may or may not be of alien origin, led by the mysterious Black Cross Commander (called so instead of the Black Cross Fuhrer, for obvious reasons), and their plot to destroy the United States.

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9:30 AM - The Three Monsterteers - new show!
Adapted from Akumaizer 3. A similar set-up to the original show, with three monsters deflecting from the Monster Realm at the center of the Earth in order to protect the humans from the Monster Realm's invasion. In this series, however, the monsters disguise themselves as humans in order to avoid frightening them, although they do turn into their monster forms in battle, partially to show the humans that not all monsters are bad. This series plays up the comedy and camp factor, and contains even more Three Musketeers references than the original show- in addition to the title, rather than the Akumaizers being called Xavitan, Evil, and Gabra, the Monsterteers are called Athos, Porthos, and Aramis!

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10:00 AM - Spider-Man of Japan - new show!
Known IOTL as simply Spider-Man, this show is, like Ultraman and Volcano Man, a straight dub. However, almost to make up for it, the setup is almost COMPLETELY different from IOTL. While this version of Spidey is still Japanese biker Takuya Yamashiro rather than Peter Parker, he is not the only or even the original Spider-Man. That continues to be Peter Parker, who is the one who gives Takuya his suit ITTL (rather than a dying alien who empowers Takuya with his blood), which is completely mechanical power-wise as opposed to Peter's mix of mechanical web-shooting and natural abilities. In the first episode, it is said that Peter is going on a worldwide trek to empower someone of each country with the Spider-suits, in order to protect the world in places where he himself cannot. So, Takuya becomes the Spider-Man of Japan. He also has a robot like Leopardon, though ITTL's robot is much more spider themed, and known as the Spider-Giant. Also, occasional versions of US villains, such as the Rhino, the Lizard, and the Green Goblin, make appearances.

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10:30 AM - J.A.K.Q. - new show!
Adapted from J.A.K.Q. Dengetai, though both seperate from and concurrent to The Rangers Five. While the setup is similar to The Rangers Five (in addition to the whole government organization thing, none of the J.A.K.Q. are cyborgs, with their powers instead coming from their suits), this series is much darker and plays more like a James Bond-esque secret agent show, to the point where the characters are all European. In addition, instead of being retooled mid-series, the passage of time and hindsight allows for a more consistent tone applied throughout the series. Most notably, while the Big One still doesn't OFFICIALLY join the team midway through, he still serves as the team's mentor from the beginning. Like The Rangers Five, one of the male members of the team is swapped to female- though to differentiate, this time the RED member, the leader prior to the Big One, is made female.​
  • The Ace of Spades - The red agent. British. Unlike Mickey Maroon but quite like Kenny Greene, Ace is main character and the youngest member of the team. However, she had previously served as an agent for MI5, making her the leader (later second in command to the Big One). Several episodes play into this angle, focusing in her difficulty handling the stress of it, and it was eventually revealed that this whole thing is a secret test of character from the Big One (one that, despite her technical demotion from leader to second-in-command, she passed). She wields the power of atomic energy. Fun fact: While the other agents are only referred to by their codenames throughout the series, Ace's first name is eventually revealed as Scarlett.​
  • The Jack of Diamonds - The blue agent. Spanish. The cool-headed scientist, serving as a big brother figure to Scarlett whenever things get too rough for her. Prior to joining J.A.K.Q., Jack worked as a scientist at a major research facility, and helped develop the J.A.K.Q. suits. He wields the power of electricity. Fun fact: One of the series' few intentionally comedic moments (outside of the Big One) is a running gag where Jack is thought of as the leader of the team because J.A.K.Q. sounds like Jack.​
  • The Queen of Hearts - The pink agent. French. Continuing the trend Peggy Rose set with the pink one being the most dangerous, Queen was groomed from childhood to become a trained assassin for CRIME (the bad guys). Much like Dia Jack in the original, she joined J.A.K.Q. in exchange for being bailed out of prison and de-brainwashed. Despite her deconditioning, she remains the most cold-blooded and efficient member of the team. She wields the power of magnetism. Fun fact: She still technically works for CRIME, but as a double agent working to get information for J.A.K.Q.​
  • The King of Clubs - The green agent. Irish, naturally. Despite being an adaptation of Clover King, his backstory was literally ripped from Dia Five's- a former boxer framed for murder when he refused to fix a fight, bailed out in exchange for joining J.A.K.Q. He eventually develops a relationship with Queen, working to thaw her frozen heart. He wields the power of gravity. Fun fact: His boxer alias was also "The King of Clubs".​
  • The Big One - The head honcho, and later white agent. Italian. As opposed to the more serious members of J.A.K.Q., the Big One is quite the flamboyant fellow, serving as comic relief. But don't be fooled by his dandy disposition- he is a master strategist, and he even came up with J.A.K.Q. in the first place! He's also a master of disguise- you never know who he'll end up as next! He has all the powers of the other members of J.A.K.Q., but his versions of each power are not as strong. J.A.K.Q. of all trades, master of none.​
  • Joker - The yellow field commander. Contrary to his name, he is deadly serious, serving as the straight man to the Big One.​
Together, J.A.K.Q. works to take down the criminal organization of CRIME, led by the Iron Claw, before they can become the ultimate criminal empire! Spoiler: Their boss isn't an alien this time.

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11:00 AM - The Masked Rider
Adapted from the original Kamen Rider. The OTHER series that predates the block, also on its third season, but NOT its final one. (This show and The Rangers Five are the only shows in the block to use 26 episode seasons, as opposed to 40 or 52 episodes) Like IOTL's Masked Rider, the series centers on Dex, an alien prince from the planet Edenoi, sent to Earth. However, instead of fleeing from an intergalactic emperor like IOTL, Dex comes to Earth of his own free will to study the planet. While snooping around, he stumbles upon a plot by the intergalactic terror organization SHOCK, and after being inspired by a Spider-Man comic, becomes the Masked Rider to stop their plan. Kamen Rider 2 is adapted when Dex's sister, Princess Dazz, is captured by SHOCK and brainwashed into becoming an EVIL Masked Rider to destroy the good one. Once her brainwashing is reversed, Dex sticks around (unlike the original show), taking a backseat from hero work in order to train Dazz on her own Masked Rider powers.

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11:30 AM - The Mandroid - new show!
Adapted from Android Kikaider. Similar plot to the source material- Dr. Robeaux is captured by the forces of DARK and Professor Gill, and creates a "mandroid" named Jerry to protect his children. Jerry has a conscience circuit named GEMINI that will allow him to distinguish between good and evil, and allow him to ignore the orders of Professor Gill and his evil flute. However, it's incomplete, leaving Jerry/Mandroid vulnerable. The series, while one of the darker shows on the lineup, had a slightly comedic and self-aware edge to it, and Jiro's guitar in the original was given to Jerry, who moonlights as a rock musician when not fighting crime. This is more important than it sounds- new US-made stock footage allows Mandroid to introduce himself via guitar AS Mandroid and not just as Jerry, and the series has a memorable rock music soundtrack similar to OTL's Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.

And that's it for the Sunday syndicated Japanese-centric blocks! Tune in next time when it's time for primetime!​
Looks like special squad has the toei heroes on lock, so does that mean production for adaptations of barom-1, robot detective, inazuman, space ironmen kyodain and kaiketsu zubat are in the works right now?
 
I don't see why not. And yet, I could also see a small parallel between Suzy Snowflake's legacy at Rankin-Bass and Honey Bunny in the Looney Tunes series.
How come?
Looks like special squad has the toei heroes on lock, so does that mean production for adaptations of barom-1, robot detective, inazuman, space ironmen kyodain and kaiketsu zubat are in the works right now?
I have no idea who those are
 
How come?
IIRC, Honey Bunny became the main rabbit for Looney Tunes, replacing Bugs Bunny, whereas Suzy Snowflake would replace Jack Frost in the Rankin/Bass Holiday Universe. The main difference here is Bugs became the spokes-toon for a third series entirely, while I'm not sure Jack Frost would even be a R/B character in this timeline.
I have no idea who those are
Neither do I, but they must be Toei tokusatsu shows.
 
I have no idea who those are
There other tokusatsu shows toei made in the 70's along with the shows that are airing on special squad. You can actually watch some episodes with English subs on toei's YouTube channel if you want.

Choujin barom-1 is a manga by takao takao saito of golgo 13 fame that was adapted into a toku. It's about 2 children given powers by a kind alien to transform into a superhero to figth a cosmic entity and his minions. It's also a major influence on kamen rider double.

Robot detective is another creation of shotaro ishinomori about an android named K who fought against the schemes of a terrorist organization who created robots to commit various crimes. It's like dick Tracy meets Kikaider. It actually received a spiritual successor in a metal heroes show called tokusou robo janperson, much like how metalder was to kikaider.

Inazuman is another ishinomori creation(as are the rest later) about a mutant with electric powers who battles a horde of monsters called the neo human empire.

Space ironmen kyodain is about an alien empire who kidnaps a human scientist and 2 of his 3 sons, forcing him to improve their technology. A year later the sufficiently advanced empire plan to invade earth, but the invasion was stopped by two super powered robots that the scientist programmed with the personalities of his two sons so they can transform into a jet and a car and look after his youngest son.

And finally kaiketsu zubat, the tale of a detective whose friend was murdered by an evil organization(because that's the formula that shotaro follows). Now he travels the countryside like a western gunslinger to find criminals where ever they're terrorizing the innocent.
 
I may or may not come back when I can, but just know I haven't even started on what's coming next because I'm a college boy and also a lazy bastard
 
UPDATE: I had to delete the recent post because stuff generated entirely by AI is against the rules now. These boring news article things lay in the balance.
 
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