Confederate Navy

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  • Confederate States of America

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  • Total voters
    57

Straha

Banned
they might help the CSA take cuba.. thats all I cnasay I have no clue about those 2 guys you mentioned.
 

ConfederateFly

David Yulee was a Senator in the C.S.A. from Florida and former interim Secretary of the Navy in the United States. William Lowdes was a C.S.A. senator from Alabama and one of the 1st commissioners to Europe. They were both considered one of the Right Wing Radicals who wanted to reopen the Slave Trade along with Robert Barnwell Rhett and Louis Trezavant Wigfall. They were considered to radical for any govermental positions in Davis's cabinet. According to that what would the Confederate foreign policy, constituion, and Navy look like with them in some kind of High position?
 

ConfederateFly

If they had there way would there be at the Constitutional Convention would there be a slave trade and I think if they came to power I think the Confederacy would be more Internationalist involved in the Far East, Africa, and the Middle East. Could you make a TL out of that?
 

Straha

Banned
a slave trade from brazil or cuba yes. Maybe the CSA would get involved in WWI and score some ottoman or german colonies??
 

ConfederateFly

I was thinkin of maybe a Confederate/German alliance in both WW 1 and 2? They lose in WW 1 . In world War 2 a frienship is developed between Hitler and President Strom Thurmond with both hating blacks and Hitler says he don't have a problem with the Confederate Jews because they had nothing to do with the German and Confederate downfall in WW 1 and are superior to the German Jews. They still lose WW 2, but instead of Hitler killing himself he goes into exile in the Confederacy after a secret rendevous with a Confederate Submarine. Between 1862- 1893 the Confederacy would be involved in Spainish-Confederate War 1871-1873, Japenese Civil War(not directly)1877, Confederate-Nicragugian War 1893. By the year 1900 they would have the originial C.S.A., Arizona Terr., Indian Terr., the Northern Mexican states of Baja Cali, Sonora, Chiuhuhua, Coahulia, Tampulias, Neuvo Leon, the Phillipines, the African colony of Angola, the Japenese port of Yakisoto, and the Chinese port of Shung-Li. The Slave Trade will be ended in 1918 after the end of WW 1. Gradual Emancipation will be forced in a time period of 25 years starting in 1919. Join U.N. IN 1949. Join Eastern Bloc Countires in 1950. The Confederacy will covertly help North Korea and North Vietnam in there wars w/ the U.S. Also will be involved openly by sending troops, tanks, artillery, and ships during the Soviet-Afghan War supportinf the Soviets. After Soviet Collapse involved in Persian Gulf War allied with the U.S. Join NATO in 1993. Involved in Somalia and Bosnia/Herzgovina. Formed relationship w/ Iraq after Persian Gulf War. Sept 11, 2001 Terriost attack on the Pentagon in the C.S.A. Afghan War between C.S.A. vs Taliban and Al-Queda. Defeat Al Queda and Taliban in 2001. Iraqi War. Agter comments from Iraq saying the Infidels of the C.S.A. deserved what they got. They Go to War with British and U.S. help. A Confederate Task Force in a cave inAfghanistan capture Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.
 

Beck Reilly

ConfederateFly said:
By the year 1900 they would have the originial C.S.A., Arizona Terr., Indian Terr., the Northern Mexican states of Baja Cali, Sonora, Chiuhuhua, Coahulia, Tampulias, Neuvo Leon, the Phillipines, the African colony of Angola, the Japenese port of Yakisoto, and the Chinese port of Shung-Li. The Slave Trade will be ended in 1918 after the end of WW 1. Gradual Emancipation will be forced in a time period of 25 years starting in 1919. Join U.N. IN 1949. Join Eastern Bloc Countires in 1950. The Confederacy will covertly help North Korea and North Vietnam in there wars w/ the U.S. Also will be involved openly by sending troops, tanks, artillery, and ships during the Soviet-Afghan War supportinf the Soviets. After Soviet Collapse involved in Persian Gulf War allied with the U.S. Join NATO in 1993. Involved in Somalia and Bosnia/Herzgovina. Formed relationship w/ Iraq after Persian Gulf War. Sept 11, 2001 Terriost attack on the Pentagon in the C.S.A. Afghan War between C.S.A. vs Taliban and Al-Queda. Defeat Al Queda and Taliban in 2001. Iraqi War. Agter comments from Iraq saying the Infidels of the C.S.A. deserved what they got. They Go to War with British and U.S. help. A Confederate Task Force in a cave inAfghanistan capture Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.
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Hold on...

1) Confederacy is never going to have Coahulia, Tampulias, Neuvo Leon, the Phillipines, or the African colony of Angola for several reasons. First, you have the Mexican purchase WAY too big. Second, at the time the CSA could defeat the Spanish, they won't be ablt to take all the Asian colonies (incl. the Philippines). The CSA is never going to surpass the USA in the Pacific. Just ain't gonna happen. Third, there's no way in hell the world is going to let the CSA gain a colony in Africa, unless its to deport freed slaves to. And even then, it's pushing it.

2) The actual course that the CSA would take would be almost exactly that of the US. In fact, in all probability, their similarities would be so great that they'd become tight allies. They're NOT going to join the Warsaw Pact. Especially after being allied with Hitler. Don't forget that Hitler, assured of his own 'Aryan Supremecy' thought WAY WAY WAY more of the British than the Russians. You wouldn't see an ally of his allying with the USSR.
 

ConfederateFly

If the Confederates got the port of Guyamas in Sonora after they purchased it and Baja Cali and Chiuhuhua how would they structure their naval forces with a pacific, carribbean, atlantic ports and Mississippi river? Discuss each type of naval force(Navy, Marines, Coast Police, Merchant Marine).
 

ConfederateFly

If the Confederates got the port of Guyamas in Sonora after they purchased it and Baja Cali and Chiuhuhua how would they structure their naval forces with a pacific, carribbean, atlantic ports and Mississippi river? Discuss each type of naval force(Navy, Marines, Coast Police, Merchant Marine).
 

ConfederateFly

This is during the Spanish-Confederate War 1873
The ships the Confederacy has are pretty much the same as in the ACW it has a total between 150 and 200 ships. It is a motley collection of brigs, schooners auxiilaries, coastal ironclads, seagoing ironclads, commerce raiders, auxillary cruisers.

Confederate James River Squadron-20 ships: Commanded by Flag Officer Josiah Tattanal, flagship CSS Virginia II and other notable ship CSS Fredricksburg

Confederate Atlantic Squadron-25 ships: Commanded by Admiral Rapheal Semmes, Flagship the seagoing ironclad ram CSS Alabama II and other notable ship the former commerce raider CSS Florida

Confederate Gulf of Mexico Squadron-27 ships: Commanded by Admiral Franklin Buchannon, Flagship CSS Stonewall other notable ship the coastal ironclad CSS Tennessee

Confederate Pacific Flotilla-13 ships: Commanded by Flag Officer James Waddel, Flagship CSS Shenandoah other notable ship CSS Arizona and the ironclad ram that was built in Scotland nicnamed the Scottish Sea Monster CSS Mississippi

Confederate Mississippi River Flotilla-22 ships: Commanded by Flag Officer Catseby Jones, Flagship CSS Louisiana other notable ships the ironclad CSS Arkansas and the gunboat CSS Queen of the West

The Confederate Coast Police would be made up would be made up of tugs, auxillary gunboats, brigs, and schooners with moast having only 1 gun. The Confederate Marines would be stationed on some ships and others in coastal garrissons. The Confederate Merchant Marine is made up of ships the Confederacy bought from private owners of privateers and former blockade runners. They also had some ships built in Europe.
 

David S Poepoe

Banned
If that is the extent of the Confederate Navy in 1873 then it is bound to be defeated in any war with Spain in 1873. The Spanish have six seagoing ironclads (3 broadside ironclads and 3 centre battery ironclads), 5 frigates and 3 corvettes. If the Spanish Navy of OTL 1873 gave the US pause of going to war then, the Confederate Navy will be in the same position.
 

ConfederateFly

Well the Confederates have a quiet a few ships too! They have all 5 of the Seagoing ironclads ordered in England, France, and Scotland, They have the 4 corvettes ordered from France, They have the 2 iron hulled screw steamers bought by Maury they are the CSS Shanghai keeping its old name instead of naming it the Georgia II and the CSS Japan keeping its old name instead of naming it the Georgia. The tiny Pacific Flotilla which is heading to the Phillipines has the CSS Shenandoah, CSS Mississippi which is the seagoing ironclad ram built in Scotland nicknamed the Scottish Sea Monster, One of the French Rams the CSS Texas, The CSS Florida the former commerce raider, and the new coastal ironclad the CSS Arizona which is named after the Confederate Arizona Terr., which is pulled by 2 auxillaryu tugs armed with 1 gun each, 2 of the French corvettes ordered by the Confederacy, and 6 lightly armored auxillary gunboats The confederacy has a total of 22 coastal ironclads
 
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