Which monarch would you pick in this case, a Bourbon or an Orlean?
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Pretty wack, especially with how Pilsudski started out a socialist militant against the Tsar and here, he ends up the right-wing King of Poland.
I think an Orlean is a more logical choice. At the time that family had heirs,and the Bourbons at that time were heirless and spanish. Still a return of french monarchy I will always love.
Yeah it basically saw him having to intervene more and more in favour of protecting the various minorities and peoples against the more extreme Polish nationalists, essentially driving him to more and more direct intervention in government affairs until the aftermath of a coup saw the military demand his ascension to King
Maybe one day I'll do a short story focusing on the idea, it would probably be Poland-focused since I had planned for this Poland to succeed in the Intermarium idea and become the dominant power in Eastern Europe
What countries will it be, I wonder...
I can see Finland having a possibility of them, as they were very briefly a Kingdom, and from what I understand, there were enough amount of politicians that would like (or at least don't mind) a monarchy (though they were also largely old conservative politicians, and would probably fight with each other whether they would like a Bernadotte or a Hesse)
Also, I feel like Germany will restore its monarchy, as I just can't see Lettow-Vorbeck not restoring its monarchy when countries that were always republics restoring theirs. I am very certain about it.
That being said, I think the real speculation I am thinking of is who will be the monarch.
Wilhelm or one of his sons?
As Stark said. The Spanish Bourbons would be the senior most heirs, but they care more for Spain I’d imagine, and the Orleans would likely have more support. I’m fine with either honestly
And there is also that treaty made after the War of Spanish Succession that pretty much said that Spanish Bourbons do not have any right on the French throne.
Well don't forget that he isn't a dictator. The democratic backbone of Germany is still pretty strong, though the upcoming Prussian election may show some cracks in that. If he wants to restore the monarchy, he will be treading on a lot of toes and making some big ripples.
As for Wilhelm II, I think we can all agree thst his chance is dead and gone. Like Edward, he is too much of an oaf, not to mention a wanted war criminal. Any chance of making nice with Britain or Belgium would be made impossible with him on the throne. IF Germany was to restore the monarchy, he is a definite out.
Was that considered fully binding? Because it feels like discussion of the Bourbons always comes up despite it being technically illegal
And Wilhelm III, on that end, has certain dodgy political views, to put it mildly.
That was also the biggest problem with Hindenburg. He was willing and able to restore the monarchy, and had the chance, but saw it as either Wilhelm II or no one--and that stubbornness helped Hitler come to power.
Von Lettow-Vorbeck respects Wilhelm, but he is also a pragmatist. He wouldn't make Wilhelm II Kaiser if given the chance, but he would probably try to invite him back to Germany and have him serve as an advisory role to a new Kaiser. (Whether Wilhelm II or said new Kaiser would ever accept that is another story.)
I was talking more about Kronprinz Wilhelm's dodgy political beliefs and willingness to flirt with far-right politics.
In theory it is binding. In practice treaties can be, and have been, shredded and ignored to suit political players and needs since time began.
It would probably only be really essential if there are odds that Spain and France would be ruled by the same person. Since the Spanish Bourbon dream isn’t dead yet, the odds of that happening, if they choose a Spanish Bourbon, is fairly big, so they would probably also discount them and go with the Orleans for that reason and then use the renunciation treaty as an argument
Didn’t we have Wilhelm II’s funeral a couple of chapters ago? So his chances, like him, are dead and gone. Now is just the question if Wil III is more palatable to Europe and Germany
I was talking about Wilhelm III and his sons (but I now realised I forgot to realise I wrote III in the end), so sorry for my mistake.
Ah sorry I misread the III as a II.
Prince Wilhelm is a more complicated figure. He is definitely more nuanced than his father. He is no political genius, and he had some problematic personal habits, but there were parts of his personality (at least according to the research I have been doing) which I like. He was not a massive warmonger like his father, for one, and did not see himself as entitled to the broad sweeping powers of an absolute monarch--rather, he supported a system more like in Italy (I realise that this does not seem like a point in his favour, but I mean it more in the sense that he recognised that, sometimes, being born into power does not make you the best to wield it.)
But I do agree that he is far from an ideal candidate, which is also what makes it fun to have men like Schleicher courting him as a potential candidate for a potential monarchic restoration.
That was Hindenburg, Wilhelm II is still kicking in the Netherlands and ranting about how none of this was his fault.
It is terrible because he was never even legally Wilhelm III, only "Crown Prince Wilhelm", which just makes it more annoying. But he is currently the top candidate for the Right-wing politicians as a new Kaiser. Some talk of skipping over him and going to one of his sons, but that brings up some sticky issues since his eldest son was banned from inheritance by Wilhelm II and his second son is too sympathetic to Liberals
Yeah, it just mixes up everything!
Why you did not just name your eldest something other than your own name, Wilhelm II!?
WHY?!!!
Crown Prince Rupprecht perhaps?
As a way to sidestep the entire issues of the Hohenzohollerns. Likely unpalatable to the Prussian Monarchists however.
But popular among the general populace I'd wager as a compromise candidate.
As a way to sidestep the entire issues of the Hohenzohollerns. Likely unpalatable to the Prussian Monarchists however.
But popular among the general populace I'd wager as a compromise candidate.
I repeat: The obvious answer is obviously that the Grand Duke of Oldenburg ascends to the throne as Kaiser of the Oldenburger Reich and unites the House of Welf by marrying Elizabeth and united Britain, Denmark, and Germany into the Oldenburger Reich!