8mm to the Left: If Hitler Died in 1923
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Rather than a lot leaving the party, a lot will simply never be driven to join the Nazis because of their political power and will instead be drawn into the orbit of the new government or will otherwise remain private citizens.
However, for those who were true believers in Nazism, the NSFP and DNVP will remain the only option
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Yes, Germany will be the next one and maybe the one after that. There is Italian one and a Chinese one planned but those won't come for a few.
I'm also playing a bit with the style, as I feel that the last two chapters got a bit too textbook-y at times
I hope there's an unexpected country that becomes a beacon of Democracy.
I assume we'll be getting a glimpse into both this rather more "revolutionary" Nazi movement and the DNVP turning into a full-on fascist party here in these updates?
That part won't come for a bit still, this next one focuses on von Lettow-Vorbeck, now that he feels that his power base is solid, beginning to make a push towards his own goals for Germany which aren't a matter of public policy.
I don't imagine the revolutionary Nazis making much headway at the moment because von Lettow-Vorbeck has a pretty secure power base in the Right. Plus I really want to hash out their ideology for myself since it hasn't come up yet, so any brainstorming about how they might look under Strasser and with more of that revolutionary slant is welcome. I've bene too busy with research for other parts of the story to get into that yet.
TheSpectacledCloth
Gone Fishin'
While Strasser can easily rely on Goebbels to stay by his side, I wonder how he's going to convince the less socialist-minded Nazi comrades to stay long-term.
And I'm specifically talking about individuals like Ernst Rohm, Alfred Rosenberg, Heinrich Himmler, Julius Streicher and Rudolf Hess.
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Part of the difficulty of defining Strasserism in the context of this world is that so much of how we define Strasserism was influenced by the post-war movement which tried to distance themselves from the Nazis. We consider it as the more "Left-aligned Nazism" but it doesn't seem to have been considered so during the 30s.
It seems like hardest pill to swallow wouldn't have been his economic goals, which fit into that same overlapping zone of Fascist Italy and Stalinist USSR, but Strasser's goals to upend the old social order completely, especially for those with, if not imperial sympathies, a certain nostalgia for the Kaiserreich.
I once read that part of the reason Hitler used the name "The Third Reich" was to try and legitimise his regime when it seemed in many ways wholly antithetical to the values of the Kaiserreich.
Mmm not quite. Rearmament is about to come up, but in a different chapter
Does anyone know which British colonies were most pro-union and most reluctant to split off?
On that note, which European colonies in Africa had the highest percentage of Europeans? Generally, not just British.
On that note, which European colonies in Africa had the highest percentage of Europeans? Generally, not just British.
Malta, Hong Kong and probably Singapore for the wanted to stay list. Also probably Cyprus but that's buyers remorse over independence helping cause the civil war and invasion later on.
In terms of highest proportion of Europeans I think the three highest would be Italian Libya, French Algeria, and South Africa. At the very least I'm pretty sure Libya was sparsely populated enough that without WWII the coastal cities will become plurality if not majority Italian.
Thanks! Malta is going to be a hot button issue later on. How about the African nations?
What about Morocco and Tunisia? The issue with both from what I've seen is that they differentiated Italians, French, and Spanish settlers despite the regions have big chunks of each, like Italians in French Tunisia and Spaniards in French Morocco.
The thing is that both Morocco and Tunisia were nominally independent “protectorates” which maintained native monarchies and local administrations throughout the age of colonialism with Morocco legally considered an independent nation even throughout colonialism, so there’s that.
I knew that about Morocco but not about Tunisia, that's really interesting. I know that Tunisia was a major point of contention between France and Italy, and I've seen it portrayed before that Italy considered joining sides with the Allies for certain concessions, including French Tunisia. Do you see that as realsitic? I never felt like France was willing to part with an inch of its empire, especially since Tunisia was rather valuable.
TheSpectacledCloth
Gone Fishin'
France is the same empire that forced Haiti pay reparations from 1825 to 1947, forcing the newly freed nation to pay them from to least $21 billion to as much as $115 billion (in today's value). That doesn't even mention the bloody wars fought in Indochina and Algeria. France was largely an unreasonable and draconian colonial empire.
True but their draconian practices (which will actually manage to be worse at points in this world) don't prevent them from trying to barter it to Italy.
Or perhaps just the part of it that Italy wants, like the northern and Eastern coastline
